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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
LCP 2004 demos
What do you think ?
I'm sad, as there were no real coder's demos.
Afrika - we 've seen all these effects 10 years before
Triad,Flt - The design / theme of the demos were not good
enough to excuse for no spectacular codings.
Effluvium - the code was not good enough to excuse no gfx/design/whatever.
are there really no coders out there, that can come up with new stuff ? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
IMO... C64 scene is an off-stream artistic movement. Demo is a creation serving the purpose of enteratining, amusing, shocking, spreading a message or anything else it's creator or perceiver can identify in it. Demo consists of graphics & music, which, when we evaluate them separatedly from the demo, are form of art expression. So is demo-code and design around it. Demo is art even when it's creator says that it is not. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 253 |
concerning the definition of a demo:
"It's a multimedia presentation of graphics music and code, that is made to show the creators best skills, and the best they can pull out of the platform."
i do not believe ones creative output necessarily needs to be equal with the best someone "can pull out of the platform". atleast if "the best" means the hardest hacking.
however, a creative output could be to "show the creators best skills", atleast if people release productions they are satisfied with. and that may sometimes oppose "coderpr0n", as that is not necessarily "the creators best skills". it may instead be a really compromised production in order to show the hard hacking/coderpr0n.
now, do not get me wrong here. ofcourse really hard hacking is a necessity in order to get inspiration for SOME new demoparts. demowatchers (especially coders?) who burst out in a 'WOW!' by a hardcoded routine may, nedless to say, spur their own creativity and start improving the routine, get ideas for something completely different, etc. for some demoparts, however, it is not a necessity. inspiration could be found in really easy-coded stuff that never was repeated, it did not become a trend.
i value a demo of the mood it puts me in, meaning the mood i am in when i am watching it really plays a vital role. it is important to watch the demo with open eyes, and not with glasses set on "how dull todays demos are". for me it often is a whole concept, including design, graphics, music, code, text, etc. i usually like "smoothness" and flow. sometimes however i prefer other things. i am really stuck in some old demos which lack all of the things mentioned above except a really good scrolltext, like e.g. the cooperdemo.
there is one limit set by the cpu. there is another one set by our imagination. let the creativity out. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
I agree wiht macx, and creamd, so the case so far is closed :)
Twoflower: Lets apply Creamd's definition, so Borderline nicely fits into the demo "category". |
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ricky martin
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 1 |
you adore us. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Do we really need to define what a demo is? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
borderline sux because its to short.
and oswald sux because he didnt just release a demo instead of mucking up.
and i sux because i didnt make a top10 demo and dont even care. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Sat just re-joined Camelot. I think we're gonna call our next demo "Down With Art" or something like that. :) |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
We all hope you'll make him talk less on csdb and be more active on the scene >:). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quote: Sat just re-joined Camelot. I think we're gonna call our next demo "Down With Art" or something like that. :)
Hell of a good name for demo ;-) Right next to the "Coder Pron" ;-) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Sat just re-joined Camelot. I think we're gonna call our next demo "Down With Art" or something like that. :)
Great, now I got the "you down with o.p.p." song stuck in my head again .. thanks a lot .. |
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