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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Stupid Hardrestart...
A question to all msx-player coders.
Why 99% of all players have a completely worse hardrestart???
I only know a few (not more than 5) which owns a really HARD = good sound-restart.
With every other player it's impossible to create modern/up-to-date instruments.
I think there are some nice editors (with nice interfaces) out there, but the completely outdated hardrestart destroys everything. :(
So, any explanation for this? |
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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Quote: And the dosens of players you never tried....
Tssss, and maybe Future Composer has a gooooood HR??? ;))))))))) Sure not!
Then, tell me others! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:So... in old players using continious oscilator they always had gate on and only manipulated ADSR etc on each note then?
err what... gate is used to restart ADSR :) |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Quote: Tssss, and maybe Future Composer has a gooooood HR??? ;))))))))) Sure not!
Then, tell me others!
1. Future Composer is NOT a player, but an editor originally made by Finish Gold on the 1. generation MoN player.
2. The 1. generation MoN player does NOT have hard restart.
I'll dig in my own garden, that what I know best.
- Laxity player v3.xx.
- JCH NP19
- JCH NP17
- A vast number of Jesper Olsen's players (Vibrants fellow)
- Some of Johannes Bjerregårds players
I bet you only tried those players that actually have an editor for them, right? |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Quote: Quote:So... in old players using continious oscilator they always had gate on and only manipulated ADSR etc on each note then?
err what... gate is used to restart ADSR :)
The trick is to force the output "volume" of the oscilator to zero before gating on. Gating is just one bit, so if the volume of a timbre hasn't gone to zero, it'll just resume gating from the value it presently has. |
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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Quote: 1. Future Composer is NOT a player, but an editor originally made by Finish Gold on the 1. generation MoN player.
2. The 1. generation MoN player does NOT have hard restart.
I'll dig in my own garden, that what I know best.
- Laxity player v3.xx.
- JCH NP19
- JCH NP17
- A vast number of Jesper Olsen's players (Vibrants fellow)
- Some of Johannes Bjerregårds players
I bet you only tried those players that actually have an editor for them, right?
Of course, Future Composer is NOT a player. I guess, the player behind isn't really hardrestart-advanced. Everyone agrees?!
And of course, I only try players that have an userfriendly editor. Everything else is on my hate-list. :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
TASS is a _quite_ userfriendly editor! |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
The Maniacs of Noise player used in Future Composer does not have hard restart, so there's nothing to agree upon.. It's simply not built in to that player.
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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Quote: The Maniacs of Noise player used in Future Composer does not have hard restart, so there's nothing to agree upon.. It's simply not built in to that player.
Yes, I know.
Anyway, I don't like these oldksool players+editors. Except maybe the sosperec editor+player. |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
Hard Restart has made composing a lot easier for a lot of people (including myself). But did you know that you can do music with hardly any ADSR bugs, without even manipulating ADSR and doing oscillator reset? Do check Tim Follin's music, he was a master of doing music with no "ADSR"-bug issues. So often it's a matter of knowing what to do.
All Tim did was to switch gate on/off... finding the right amount of gate off frames along with fitting ADSR values.
And another thing, I wouldn't say that using hard restart is a "must" for doing "up-to-date" sounds. A combination is what is needed now. In my latest player you have 16 definable HR settings which you access from the instrument itself, along with things like: using hard restart or not / amount of gate off frames before sound init / oscillator reset and also an option for doing it like Tim Follin (and possibly others) did ;-)... I believe it's a quite flexible system, but will ofcourse have to test it a bit more. |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
So in that way it will be up to the composer how stupid the hard restart/init will be :-) |
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