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Leticia
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Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 21 |
Hard Restart?
Hi, can anyone explain me please what this Hard Restart is all about and why does it seem to be that important? This confuses me. |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
Quote: Just another question..
What music programs do support entering Hard Restart ADSR Values for each Instrument? I want to try out everything a little bit to hear the difference.
In GoatTracker (I know you're using SDI primarily, but it may still apply if its available in that editor)...
The Hard Reset ADSR is the value shown under "HR: 0000" on the top of the screen. Just to make it clear, that Hard Restart ADSR is a GLOBAL setting used by each instrument. Instruments only have a "flag" to use HR or not. In Goattracker instruments, it's the "HR/Gate Timer" value:
(If you know a bit about binary:)
00000000
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|_____ Hard-Restart flag (Most significant bit)... 0 = on, 1 = off
So in essence...
$00-$7f = Hard-Restart on
$80-$ff = Hard-Restart off (or soft restart)
If using $80-$ff, then the AD and SR values in the INSTRUMENT are used as the "Restart" setting, otherwise the global HR ADSR value is used.
If you want to try examples, I would start off with values "$02" and "$82"... so you can hear the difference.
Hope this makes sense. |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
@Leticia: There may be several, but I only know about one. That is defMON, used by Goto80 since a number of years, but still unreleased to the general public. Most editors I have seen work the way Conrad describes. I think some of Jeff's editors/players had some more features along these lines, including a choice of different "types" of hard restart. Never really got deep into those editors myself though, so I don't know exactly what options that were available: if setting of hard restart ADSR values on a per instrument basis was included or not. |
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iLKke
Registered: May 2012
Posts: 29 |
SID-Wizard seems to have per-instrument HR settings.
Not that it is hugely relevant if you just want to see what it's all about. |
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ice00
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 54 |
Quote: Just another question..
What music programs do support entering Hard Restart ADSR Values for each Instrument? I want to try out everything a little bit to hear the difference.
In JITT64 I set up various mode for setting hard-restart, like changing the order of sid register initialization that can change the produced sound.
You can expand it more as in instrument definitions you can change ADSR as you want many times, so you can even program the HR in some exotics way over the classical one (it only need to insert this into the beginning of instrument instead of at the end).
Soft hardrestart is even possible using the gate release in end of notes. |
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Dane
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 423 |
I've implemented in JCH NP25. Thanks to Jeff I'm actually starting to get the hang of soft restart now, and I can recommend it for leads and arpeggios.
Then again, it's not going to make a tremendous difference in your tunes if you stick to any of today's common music editors. So instead of chasing after the perfect instruments, just go and make some music! :D |
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Leticia
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Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 21 |
i tried out sid wizard, but i didn't like it very much and it has this annoying clicking sound while playing the demo songs, don't know how to get rid of this. i've just given jch a try and i like it :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
SDI should be able to do it. |
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Hermit
Registered: May 2008
Posts: 208 |
Leticia: As I've written in posts/comments, SID-Wizard is RC/beta version yet, the Hard Restart (and other features) is still going through development. The aim is to be able to set any type of HR. If you don't like other else aspects of it I'd be glad to hear what they are specifically. And don't forget, SID-Wizard is open-source, anyone can help, just PM or e-mail me and I'll solve to give you full SVN access at sourceforge...
JCH and SDI are good editors & players, and X-SID is excellent too if you get used to their interfaces.
This is a great topic, the info/mystery about HR should be collected in one place as much as possible. Playing around with SID-hacker I found many types of HRs in different tunes, I'll try to collect and post them in a structured way. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Quote: Leticia: As I've written in posts/comments, SID-Wizard is RC/beta version yet, the Hard Restart (and other features) is still going through development. The aim is to be able to set any type of HR. If you don't like other else aspects of it I'd be glad to hear what they are specifically. And don't forget, SID-Wizard is open-source, anyone can help, just PM or e-mail me and I'll solve to give you full SVN access at sourceforge...
JCH and SDI are good editors & players, and X-SID is excellent too if you get used to their interfaces.
This is a great topic, the info/mystery about HR should be collected in one place as much as possible. Playing around with SID-hacker I found many types of HRs in different tunes, I'll try to collect and post them in a structured way.
codebase would be a good place to collect HR info.
http://codebase64.org/doku.php?id=start |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 452 |
IMHO, separate testbit and gate bit and adsr manipulations in time and space and be sidtorious! |
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