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2015-01-16 18:22
Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1105
Event id #2314 : C64 Cracking Competition 2015

Howdy Crackers!

These days the cracking scene is pretty active, but it seems most effort is spent on rushing out a version first with non-protected games.
Now that we found this nice original that hasn't been cracked, we thought, let's turn it around. Have a cracking competition with all of you with a full price EA game, including a nice protection. So here we go with the first C64 Cracking Competition 2015!

You are invited to crack "Return of Heracles" (C) 1983-1986 Electronic Arts.

Download the original here: http://sh.scs-trc.net/return_of_heracles.d64

Please read the rules carefully, and take all the time you need, quality over speed please :)

Rules:

- Submit your entry before or at 23:59 saturdayevening the 28th of March 2015 by email to c64crackingcompetition@hushmail.com
- Your release must fully run on a stock c64 + 1541.
- Your release must be filecopieable and packed.
- Your release must contain a crack intro, but you also must provide an introless version. This will be used to accurately measure size.
- Recracking is strictly forbidden, you must crack the original we provide. When in doubt, we will dig through your release and ask a few questions to confirm you really cracked it yourself.
- Individuals may only be part of a single release, so a group may enter multiple cracks, provided they are done by other members.
- You are allowed to use whatever tools you want.

Calculating Results:

50% of the result will be determined by public voting, either using or own voting system or on csdb. Stay tuned for additional info.

The other 50% of the result is calculated by the compo organizers using the following criteria:

- The shorter the better *)
- The faster it loads the better
- Proper saving capabilities
- Full PAL/NTSC compatibility
- Amount of bugfixes (if any bugs present in game)
- Amount of trainers (no double trainers)
- Minus points if you introduce bugs and need multiple versions
- The more devices besides 1541 (or compatible) you support, the better
- Optional REU support is also nice

*) We explicitly do not want to discourage the use of large intros, hence
the introless version requirement.

Most of all, have fun cracking this full price game!

The Organizers,

Peacemaker/Hitmen
Burglar/SCS*TRC
 
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2015-05-17 18:03
Maxlide

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 32
Congratz BigFoot
2015-05-17 18:44
Smasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 521
yes, that's the quality earlier version cracked by antiprotect... ehm, is this thread looping? :)
2015-05-18 05:51
Cresh

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354
It is worth noting that it has been won by demoscene guy. Congrats! ;)
2015-05-18 11:07
Shine

Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369
Congratulation too all ... it was a pleasure to see REAL crackers in action!!! RESPECT :)
Where were the other "real" crackers?
2015-05-18 13:05
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
which exactly? besides those that are busy with ghosts'n'goblins?
2015-05-18 15:06
The Ignorance

Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 85
Me has headache... :)
2015-05-18 17:32
Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1105
Quoting Cresh
It is worth noting that it has been won by demoscene guy. Congrats! ;)

Yea that surprised me too, a demo/gamecoder that kicked every crackers ass very nicely :P (not to mention the cool new Breeze intro by Oswald :)

I was even more surprised by the return of Bacchus and Rowdy, and not just trying out for a weekend, but actually putting in shitloads of time and come up with a cool crack and a fresh FLT intro!

@Igno, but did you try at least? You should be one of the few ppl that I reckon can crack these type of things.
2015-05-18 18:36
The Ignorance

Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 85
Nope.. Had to stop my job in february due to health problems.
No time and really not in the mood to do so.
I leeched the original and read the posts from the beginning and thought about starting, but sadly RL won.
And in opposite to my normal behaviour I kept my mouth shut. :)

In some days or weeks I will sell some of my hardware and originals. Ofcourse not all. But some pieces I will give to a place where they are used more often. All of my CMD hardware I bought as new from CMD. HF...
2015-05-19 16:58
Tom-Cat

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 20
Not sure what to say, but some of us do think there is something fishy going on here....

Lets compare results for #1 (Breeze) and #2 (Triad) entries:

1. Crack Size

It says here "without intro and without save games" ...
If you just add up the TRIAD release files and deduct save games :

28 + 560 - 9*37 = 255 blocks ... so here no intro was deducted aparently!

If you add up the Breeze release:

148 + 60 + 12 + 9 + 13 = 242 blocks ... here aparently the intro is 21 blocks big and was deducted?

Not sure, but I think this part needs to be recalculated properly.

2. Trainers

Ok, seems fair. Breeze's version does have more trainers, but most people will prefere Triad's version because of how it is done. Which is reflected in the voting too.

3. Loading Speed

Now, if you look at the compo rules you will see:

- Your release must fully run on a stock c64 + 1541.

So, there is no mention of ANY fastloader being used. This HAD TO BE tested on the stock c64 + 1541 ! Instead for this test a fastloader was used (Action Replay).

If you loaded these two versions on the STOCK machine as rules state then you would come to the following result:

Breeze: 2 minutes 10 seconds
Triad : 1 minute 15 seconds

I think the extra effort for making the boot file as short as possible should be awarded and this should be fairly represented as rules point out !

4. Packaging

First question here is WHY is "Drive Support" and "REU support" a part of this category ?
Triad's version has MANY more features than any other version and for that it gets only a 2 point advantage ?
Breeze's version has incomplete docs, no map, no kernal loader support, no save imports,... ?

5. Ingame Bugfixes

I think this is ok. Breeze version does have one or two more, but I think the drive support and reu support, importing games and stuff like that should be really included in this category (if they don't have another) and if that is considered the Triad release should get the full points here.

Overall

Well, it is very convenient that your opinion counts as 50% of all votes since if you look at the public voting results I think they should weigh more... also of 51 votes 23 voted for triad version, so if triad got almost 50% of votes they should really count more than just 9.7 compared to 9.23 of Breeze !

Breeze version is fine, but Triads version SHOULD be the winner here, anyway you look at it!
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