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Pac
Registered: Jan 2017
Posts: 12 |
re-using existing tunes for new productions?
Hi,
general question related to the use of music in demos/intros:
I'm not exactly brand new to the C64 scene, but have been away for the better part of 30 years. What I remember from back then: it was considered bad taste to re-use already released music in new productions.
I've released a few graphics the last weeks, with additional small intro-like code and a tune to make it less boring to watch.
I don't consider myself skilled enough to make good music, and I don't actually like composing. Is there something like "public domain" music that I can use? If so, how does this work? If not, is re-using already released music ever done at all? (If so, how?)
Thanks in advance,
kind regards,
/Pac |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 363 |
Quoting HeinRe-using a great piece of music that sets the mood for a demo or intro production is only done out of respect for the piece.
For some it is, for some it might not be the only reason.
Quote:What rules would fit there?
Maybe: Ask for permission if the author is still alive.
Quote:Bit weird to talk about applying contemporary rules in todays AI, meme and copy/paste internet culture.
I'm talking about scene. In broader view - you are right. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 965 |
Quoting JetboyQuoting HeinRe-using a great piece of music that sets the mood for a demo or intro production is only done out of respect for the piece.
For some it is, for some it might not be the only reason.
Ok, can't think of any other reason than liking the re-used Sid.
Quoting Jetboy
Quote:What rules would fit there?
Maybe: Ask for permission if the author is still alive.
Only asked for permission once, because I changed the Sid. Never considered any other time to ask for permission, tbh. Also didn't get any complaints from the authors.
Quoting Jetboy
Quote:Bit weird to talk about applying contemporary rules in todays AI, meme and copy/paste internet culture.
I'm talking about scene. In broader view - you are right.
Creating a new rule-book for the scene seems like an impossible task. Some graphic artists tried (sorry guys, calling it a rule-book ;)) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 3098 |
I think that musicians in this scene are usually flattered if somebody re-uses their tunes (with proper credit ofc.) makes it no problem not to ask for permission. It's all non-commercial anyways. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 332 |
I always ask for permission to use a tune if I am able to get a hold of the author. Sometimes I’d go and ask author’s groupmembers if the author was unavailable.
I don’t think it’s mandatory but it’s not that hard to do.
This next part is not about SID tunes, itks a marginal case, but you can connect the dots. All artistic/artisan work (non-scene) I’ve done in my life I was always tagging/attributing as “public domain”. Completely copyright free. I switched to CC0 licensing for one reason. Minimal control. For example, would you want your work to be proudly used as a part of a fascist party (or some such crap) promo? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
Putting something under some kind of restrictive license would be a good way to make sure someone WILL use it without permission :) |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 332 |
Slightly offtopic:
Here's an excellent example of song abuse. If the song is in public domain, the author is screwed. If not, he can probably go for cease & desist.
https://www.instagram.com/whitehouse/reel/DIFc72lRDTr/ |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 3098 |
Afaik, in Europe there is no such thing as public domain as there is in anglophone countries (most notably the USA).
You automatically have a number of authorship rights, and some of them you can't cede even if you want to. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 332 |
@Krill:
Haha it's funny, that would mean that I was thinking like "gee look how smart I am going for CC0 instead of PD" while in reality it was CC0 to begin with because EU doesn't allow for PD. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 3098 |
Well, CC0 is attempting to get as close as legally possible to public domain, allowing you to waive as many rights as legally possible in your jurisdiction.
Quote:And while no tool, not even CC0, can guarantee a complete relinquishment of all copyright and database rights in every jurisdiction, we believe it provides the best and most complete alternative for contributing a work to the public domain given the many complex and diverse copyright and database systems around the world. from https://creativecommons.org/public-domain/cc0/.
Perhaps it's not the tool you're looking for. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11523 |
Its not "the EU" though, its germany and... some other country i forgot :) |
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