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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1088 |
X2016 Competitions: Your Input Wanted!
The 28th of october is still far away but getting closer and closer. The organizers have been getting busy and are now well underway to get everything sorted out for another smashing X!
Since entry delivery and running the compos at X14 went quite smooth and voting is now done in realtime, we believe we may have room for 1 or 2 more (small/fun) c64 competitions. Like a PETSCII compo or a 4k compo, or maybe you guys have an idea?
Or perhaps you think the straightforward demo/music/gfx compos are enough.
Let us know :) |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Quoting BurglarThe Chameleon already has support for proper diskflipping, so that's an option.
As long as you're running the demo on the real CPU inside the C64 and using the video output from the real VIC. That is still possible with the Chameleon, right? |
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CeriX
Registered: Nov 2014
Posts: 11 |
Quote: so I was gonna say...
Thanks for all your input! I will now discuss the possibilities with the other orgs and we'll publish final compo setup asap. I'd say its pretty safe to already get more familiar with PETSCII ;)
I also like the onefile award ($0801-$cfff), especially when not splitting the demo compo.
The Chameleon already has support for proper diskflipping, so that's an option. However we will try to run (multidisk) demos from a real 1541, but it's not a promise just yet.
Huh?
No crunching allowed for the onefile award?
(Or why the restriction to $801-$cfff?) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
Who said no crunching allowed? the limitation for onefilers is that load range should be 0801-cfff max (202 blocks) loadable from a stock c64 without particular loaders. Crunch like there's no tomorrow. |
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null
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
Quote: Quoting BurglarThe Chameleon already has support for proper diskflipping, so that's an option.
As long as you're running the demo on the real CPU inside the C64 and using the video output from the real VIC. That is still possible with the Chameleon, right?
I'm assuming they won't run the chameleon in standalone mode, so yes. |
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algorithm
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705 |
The Turbo chameleon takes over the Ram and the CPU via its own core even when connected to the C64.
This opens the possibility of some cheating via activating turbo mode from within the program when required :-) I would guess the testers at the party would somewhat need to either trust the coder(s) or test it on something else before |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
I'm not worried about deliberate cheating, though. People would find out soon enough afterwards, and the perpetrators would be disqualified and publicly shamed. What I care about is that the demo runs on the agreed-upon platform, and not some emulation. While unlikely, there could still be undiscovered glitches left, and coders should be free to exploit them. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
No Chameleon ffs. Everything should run on real hw, and 1541U2 is good for most demos; if there are demos with stunning change disk-parts, the contestants could flag for use of real 1541. Why even discuss emulators and Chameleon (that's a nono for me when it comes to compos because of what algorithm said above) and stuff like that? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359 |
chameleon is as much a nono as 1541U is. i'd make sure my prod doesnt work on either :) |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074 |
The sad part is that there's no way you can guarantee that it works on "real hardware". We're talking about mechanical devices at least 25 years old, media that was at best produced in the 90s, and unshielded cables that are sensitive to noise. I've done my best to try and find a known good drive to use, but even so it's failed for no apparent reason during a compo.
The 1541U isn't perfect, but at least it's a known entity that you can test against. As far as I know all the major demo loaders work on it, e.g. Krill, DreamLoad, Spindle, Bitfire - hell even BoozeLoad works :) |
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Cresh
Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 354 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxyhfiCO_XQ |
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