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Carrion
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317 |
all the magic just goes away
with this video....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI
I was hoping somehow that Liam/The Prodigy does the sounds himself.
But know all my religion is wasted...
It's somehow like with Timanthes... You never know what is converted and what is origianl - right ? ;) |
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
Pathetic boys.. sigh... this is a bit of a waste of time, if you ask me :-)
Fade: Even though that tune might have been first, before Prodigy's, it does sound a lot more ghey ;-)
Jan: You are too old for Prodigy, sorry :-)
I agree with Stainless Steel.
Besides, most of Prodigy's is meant as party-music, where people go a bit crazy, whether they are on drugs or not.
Has been a pleasure listening to their music for me and many of my friends.
Not saying that it's the best music ever though. |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Now... Carrion got very excited about the video, it is posted by him also on other forums, so I already wrote a lot in Polish on the subject ;) but will gladly repeat myself a bit.
I don't want to go into discussion about the talent of Liam or the lack of it, because imho this is a bit irrelevant here. But as for the video itself, I agree with PVCF. Cannot compare this guy to the original creator of the track. It does not impress me (that much ;D), because reproducing the track in this way is not something as difficult as one may think.
First of all, sourcing the samples. Due to copyright reality, in most cases sample sources are included in liner notes for the releases.
Now, the effects applied. For this case you just hear that this one has been timestretched, the other one heavily chorused etc. And to find the appropriate settings for the effects, you do tweak the knobs until you get it right. For that you need just a lot of time, not talent ;)
Now, I would not take from the guy the fact that he is apparently a very skilled sound engineer. But that's it. This is the shit that makes for him this re-engineering much easier ;) For me, this is like watching a video of a guy painting a copy of Gioconda. Kudos for him if he gets it right, but he's no Leonardo :)
One thing I cannot agree - sorry PVCF - is that in 1996 there were no tools. Ableton Live is an awesome tool with amazing features (I have been using it since version 1.0 for my live performances), but it is still mostly a sequencer. And in 1997 Cubase has already been around for 8 years as a powerful tool for a studio musician. Of course, back then you needed a MIDI driven hardware sampler with it (and now you can have the sampler inside the sequencer), but this '96 combo (Cubase+sampler) was not much less powerful for creation of such a track, as 2009 Ableton is. But yes, the SIMPLICITY of doing certain things is completely different.
Oh hey, and by the way, respects to the mentioned Rennie Pilgrem, Doc Scott, UK hardcore scene. Without them I would not be doing my shit now :) but the same goes to The Prodigy. Like their stuff or not, they were the agents of change in the genre. Period. For example, for a lot of metal/punk heads like myself, they were the bridge to the Dark Side (of techno). ;) |
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Wile Coyote
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
I always liked, Voodoo People (theres a good C64 cover somewhere) and No Good (start the dance). Fire Starter was ok. (from the new album) Invaders Must Die, Omen, Take Me to the Hospital, Warriors Dance are just excellent :D |
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Deev
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 206 |
I've never liked The Prodigy and I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of Liam Howlett, but when it comes to making music from samples, I think it's just as valid as using any other kind of instrument. You're still combining lots of parts to make something that's completely different, not anyone can do it. Same goes for using Live, Logic, Cubase or whatever. It might make the process a bit easier, but you still have to have the ideas in the first place.
Anyway, thanks for posting the video Carrion, I've been using Ableton Live for a few years now (my music's nothing like this I might add!), so it's been interesting and perhaps also inspiring to see. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
And fuck all the haters. Prodigy kicked some major ass. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
outer space is the best one from them for me. :) |
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chancer
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 346 |
and the funny thing about it ....
Liam is / was a reason and Ableton user.. I think he uses Live in a "live" environment..
if you know of prodigy at the start.. and nothing of the underground hardcore and jungle scene.. then yer you'd think it was unique.. but that's to do with marketing.. others were front runners..
check out the early 4hero and manix / Reinforced tracks, the Acen / Production house ones.. etc etc
if you like the earlier prodigy stuff, say the first album. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
probably there was a reason that prodigy made it and not the others. ...and that was not marketing, marketing does not make good music, prodigy does.
it gets really silly, just like when people try to claim amiga/atari (8bit)/speccy failed bcoz of marketing... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2968 |
The reason may be luck, too. And possibly also that somebody came up with the idea to call it "electro punk", which i think is one of the most stupid, pretentious and ridiculous labelings for a musical genre ever. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:And possibly also that somebody came up with the idea to call it "electro punk", which i think is one of the most stupid, pretentious and ridiculous labelings for a musical genre ever.
imho it describes their stuff (atleast the stuff they made when that label was inventzed) quite well :) it's also what brought them to my and many others attention :) |
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