| | Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
boobsploitation
So i never understood the fuzz about choosing boobs as a motif. Nude bodies have always been part of art. Also boobs are a thankful motif, as they keep one motivated to continue and finish a picture. Actually i adore and worship the female body. For me, nothing does feel wrong about that. But i somehow feel like there's a lot of mental masturbation going on. So feel free to bring your arguments against boobs forward. Maybe some nice drama will develop from that!
And yes, of course i'll continue drawing boobs, don't bother :-) |
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| | Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847 |
X'2014, Man-titty invasion edition!
(yeah, when's a website coming up?? ;)) |
| | Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Quoting JailbirdNot you personally of course, but you're definitely an active part of a group that objectifies and encourages objectification of women.
And we're not animals. Lo' and behold: we have conscience, we feel love, strong empathy, we have free will, but also the painful emotion of shame. And our purpose in life isn't just reproduction, you know.
The problem with physical attractiveness today: it would have to be about being healthy and feeling comfortable in your own body rather than basically forcing yourself to look like clichés from popular culture whilst destroying yourself mentally and physically (as otherwise you might feel degraded and less recognized).
Well what your previous example shows, is, that a very high percentage of idiots are on this planet, but it lacks the whole path of correlation to the said theory. I could simply proof the opposite. We have one secretary and else men only, but she is pretty fine here, noone molests her in any way. Maybe, because here it is a pretty good reason to get fired in case.
Also, how is the victim you describe being objectified? Her colleagues know her, know her name about her personality. I think that the problems arise from other reasons, the guys might be sexually or otherwise frustrated, they might even have to handle that nowadays also women do their job as well. For me it is no problem, and i am happy when women enjoy the same rights, like for e.g. same salary for same work, where still differences are made. But there's no need to go beyond that. You only can treat things equally if they are equal or can be made equal. But you can't make crap taste like vanilla iceream, by just stating that they have to taste equal.
An no, if you boil it down, the only reason to be here is reproduction, this also applies to humans. The rest is nice sugar on top, but not necessary. Those "extraskills" might even help us to destroy humankind faster then intended. |
| | Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
imho there's no purpose of life, unless you make one for yourself, and we're animals, and its not wrong liking and drawing nice boobies. people are always having various problems, low self esteem, not liking your body ? blame it on men who are naturally obsessed with nice women. how wrong they are! they shouldnt! women shouldnt work on their low self esteem, or do something about their fat body, its all caused by evil men... I think this story has 2 sides.
now how about all women liking big penises? someone should make a manimist movement, and protest so women will like small penises!
c'mon :) |
| | Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
A big penis hurts most women, i know what i'm talking about. |
| | jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting BitbreakerWell what your previous example shows, is, that a very high percentage of idiots are on this planet, but it lacks the whole path of correlation to the said theory. I could simply proof the opposite. We have one secretary and else men only, but she is pretty fine here, noone molests her in any way. Maybe, because here it is a pretty good reason to get fired in case.
Yep, just like that: when sexually harassing someone has actual negative consequences, people don't tend to do it. Regulations of lousy behavior leads to positive change of general attitude.
Quoting BitbreakerAlso, how is the victim you describe being objectified?
Huh? Objectified as a sexual object, of course. Examples: one guy casually, out of the blue asked her and her co-worker to have sex with him after work, or, men loudly describing what would they do to the women sexually. And no, it's not all about frustration. These guys are married, have families, girlfriends, relationships... It can't be that most of them are frustrated. They see examples and they follow the lead of the popular/influential males, especially if they see that they can do whatever they want without consequences. Once again: what do we see around us in popular culture, anyone? The same exact thing. Act as a masculine idiot and you'll have all the stupid chicks who'll spread their leg and show their huge tits to you mindlessly (so you could spread your seeds and reproduce, right?).
Quoting BitbreakerYou only can treat things equally if they are equal or can be made equal. But you can't make crap taste like vanilla iceream, by just stating that they have to taste equal.
The keyword is respect, rather than equality. I don't treat women as shit because I respect them as human beings, not primarily because I want them to feel equal to me. But with respect comes equality.
Quoting BitbreakerAn no, if you boil it down, the only reason to be here is reproduction, this also applies to humans. The rest is nice sugar on top, but not necessary. Those "extraskills" might even help us to destroy humankind faster then intended.
Well, tell that to thousands of people who wittingly chose not to reproduce. It's a simple mindful choice, and might be based on numerous reasons. We don't live solely by instinct.
Quoting Oswaldimho there's no purpose of life, unless you make one for yourself. and we're animals
You just described why we are not animals: because we make conscious choices about our purpose in life.
Quoting Oswald, and its not wrong liking and drawing nice boobies. people are always having various problems, low self esteem, not liking your body ? blame it on men who are naturally obsessed with nice women. how wrong they are! they shouldnt! women shouldnt work on their low self esteem, or do something about their fat body, its all caused by evil men... I think this story has 2 sides.
Sure, women should work on their low self esteem, but it's hard to have positive results on that matter when they born into and grow up in the current situation where everything around them suggests exactly the opposite what an average women should be today: you have to have the photoshopped-to-bones body of Scarlett Johansson, have big and tight breasts, round ass, be thin, and present yourself and fuck like a pornstar in order for men to appreciate and love you. |
| | Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
you know what's really sexist? men talking about how women (should) feel, without any female input on the whole matter. |
| | jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: you know what's really sexist? men talking about how women (should) feel, without any female input on the whole matter.
Indirect female input doesn't counts? By any chance, don't you experience enough negative patterns around your daily life to have an opinion and draw some conclusions? Like we're just guessing about how women might feel when they're sexually harassed, objectified or prejudiced. |
| | Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quoting JailbirdIndirect female input doesn't counts?
no, cause that would be another male interpretation. |
| | jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: Quoting JailbirdIndirect female input doesn't counts?
no, cause that would be another male interpretation.
So, my judgement and assumption based by numerous obvious, evidently negative incidents experienced and retold by women are just subjective and questionable views just because not too much women participate in this discussion? Well okay, that's interesting. |
| | Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
Quoting JailbirdSo, my judgement and assumption based by numerous obvious, evidently negative incidents experienced and retold by women are just subjective and questionable views just because not too much women participate in this discussion? Well okay, that's interesting.
At least no woman so far felt offended by what i am doing, right? Does anyone know it better then women and by that oppress the female opinions? |
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