Submitted by d0c [PM] on 19 February 2009thanks for the update but i am disappointed, why am i forced to install windows vista or net? why cant you make timanthes a standalone pixling appz that dont depend on other program to run?...

if not at least pickout the files that timanthes needed to run, and include them or make them available for download somewhere...

Submitted by Mirage [PM] on 19 February 2009We've done the 'it only runs on windows' rants, if you don't like it then don't use it.
This version needs windows 2000 or higher and dotnet 2.0, which you can download from microsoft

Submitted by Majikeyric [PM] on 19 February 2009@d0c: DotNet is very powerful for PC development nowadays.
Then why not using it ? Because there some "elitist" alternative Oses or mac users out there ?
As a professionnal sofware developer in DotNet, I wouldn't have any interest and time to loose in developing cross-tools for a non DotNet platform.
Sorry guys...

Submitted by Ninja [PM] on 19 February 2009Majikeyric: Could it be that maybe you have an "elitist" attitude? ;)

And Mirage is right...

Submitted by d0c [PM] on 19 February 2009@Majikeyric

if dotnet2.0 is so important then it should be included with the software and not prompt me with a message that more or less tell me to buy vista when i try run timanthes... what you like to develop with i dont care about, as long it works out of the box and i dont need to hunt down files from the net.

Submitted by Marauder/GSS [PM] on 19 February 2009.NET 2.0 is also/already included in windows XP for example and no need to buy vista!
if not you may don't have actual service packs/updates have you?

Submitted by Stainless Steel [PM] on 19 February 2009You dont have (atleast) .NET 2.0 installed ? have you been living under a rock the past few years ? You do realize this is a windows app ?

Submitted by d0c [PM] on 20 February 2009i have no program that use dotnetfx2.0, only timanthes. so you see its an app that i have never used becouse i have no program that need it.

i have installed dotnetfx2.0 now but still it will not run...

i think i just give up this one and just try ProjectOne 0.5, at least it dont depend on dotnetfx2.0 to run.

Submitted by Jammer [PM] on 20 February 2009calm down, boys ;)

Submitted by Majikeyric [PM] on 20 February 2009@Ninja : Erm, probably... :P

Submitted by DeeKay [PM] on 20 February 2009Jetboy, Majkrevic: I'd say "don't piss me off with your requests for ports for other platforms" is quite the elitist attitude, coming from Windows-Users who have the choice of about 10 Bazillion c64 tools, but maybe that's just me...
It's too late now for Timanthes unfortunately, like so often, but there's a lesson to be learned, kids: Don't be a victim in the vendor-lock-in game, don't let them make you their pawn in cementing their own monopolies! Use portable frameworks, languages and tools!

Submitted by Sander [PM] on 20 February 2009Great update Lars!

@DeeKay, d0c, first - a moist yawn in your faces,... have your platform non-discussion here : Mac, Win, Linux etc.

Submitted by DeeKay [PM] on 21 February 2009Jammer: Yes, tried it with Mono, no beef. .NET crossplattform my ass, Java-Alternative, what a joke, Shut the fuck up, de Icaza! .NET is as much of a pain in the ass as all the other proprietary M$-technologies.. However, Mirage said on X he'd look into making it Mono-compatible, whatever happened to that? 8)

Sander: Sorry, but only with constant repetition people will realize it's a bad idea to use proprietary shit for programs that should be for everyboydy, I've seen it happen time and time again. And if we bitch and moan in every thread with a windows-only program, maybe the next person to make a c64 tool will finally choose something portable? <:-)
That is actually not a theory but a reality, I am seeing this right now with Bitbreaker's converter, which is cross-plattform! ;-D We've got it running under Linux, MacOS X and Windows, and I even bet compiling it under BSD, QNX or BeOS shouldn't be a problem either!

All that notwithstanding: Yay for Timanthes, if it gets Carrion and Mirage himself to pixel again, fucking A! 8) I just wanna use it myself, and sorry for not being willing to let myself be forced to use a certain OS for it that i simply reject...

Submitted by Hein [PM] on 21 February 2009No need to hijack this entry with your everlasting crusade. Create some cool graphics instead.

Submitted by Stainless Steel [PM] on 21 February 2009\o/ for Mirage.
\o/ for .NET (im serious, i'm a .net developer myself)
\o/ for VisualStudio (awesome IDE)

PS : What Hein said.

Submitted by Style [PM] on 22 February 2009Id like to use this, but windows only? sorry, its 2009......

Submitted by Medicus [PM] on 22 February 2009I don't get the discussion. A tool like Timanthes screams for .net. It's not just some converter or whatever with text-output. Would you guys have prefered 20% of what is Timathes but cross-plattform?

Submitted by assiduous [PM] on 22 February 2009how about a nice cup of wine

Submitted by Style [PM] on 22 February 2009assiduous: wine is a stopgap at best. Even when the apps run, they still have the feel of windows apps.

medicus: you think rich GUI apps can only be achieved on MS technology? Whatever you're smoking, Ill have some thanks :)

Submitted by DeeKay [PM] on 22 February 2009assiduous: how bout a nice cup of "fuck x86", Mr. Smartass? 8)

Hein: Guess what? I'm just doing that - using crossplattform tools! 8)
Wish I could use Timanthes, too, but well...

To get this discussion somewhere: Mono is supposed to be the crossplattform solution for .NET apps. In fact I was able to make the .NET tool TSremux runnable in Mono on OSX/Linux by simply changing a few hardcoded backslashes (I use it to make .m2ts for my PS3 or to demux elementary streams from .m2ts!) - With GUI and all! Feels a bit alien, like X-Apps, but it works, which is good!
Mono 2.0 even supports Windows Forms now, so it *should* be possible to make Timanthes work with it. So if Mirage wants to give this a try, I'll volunteer for testing it in Linux and OS X! 8)

Submitted by Groepaz [PM] on 22 February 2009like sander suggested, please take your crossplatform wineing (pun intended) elsewhere. for example here: Mac, Win, Linux etc.

Submitted by DeeKay [PM] on 23 February 2009gpz: I don't see why I should take a discussion on making Timanthes Mono-compatible to a forum titled "Mac, Win, Linux etc." (great, could it be any more generic? <:-) that was originally a discussion on Oxidy's pixeltool...

...stop the god damn whining and let people decide for themselves on which platform they want to develop and on which one they don't (don't have the time, knowledge, framework, guts, hate your face, and even more your obscure platform, or whatever reason they think of for ignoring your system).