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Mr SQL
Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137 |
Blues
Are there any new Blues compositions or existing covers on the SID?
Or anything like the algorithmic composition in BallBlazer for the Atari 400/800 which is not in the C64 version? |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
just search for blues songs in deepsid and youll find tons of compute sidplayer covers of blues tunes :p |
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Mr SQL
Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137 |
Quote: just search for blues songs in deepsid and youll find tons of compute sidplayer covers of blues tunes :p
Yes some of the songs are categorized as the Blues, but sound more like R&B or Funkytown and have no rhythmic pauses; the SID is a fantastic but noisy chip that is constantly outputting in many compositions:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Bakewell_Dwayne..
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Bakewell_Dwayne..
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Somme..
This example has rhythmic pauses but still sounds like electronic music and not blues even with the digi:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Nordb..
This one has a nice relaxing Acid Jazz feel, but is not the Blues:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Roest..
This is closer:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/W/Wisdom/Dream_Lo..
These compositions are all incredible but perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard for the subtractive analogue synth? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
I love Dwayne \o/ |
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DeMOSic
Registered: Aug 2021
Posts: 126 |
Quote: Yes some of the songs are categorized as the Blues, but sound more like R&B or Funkytown and have no rhythmic pauses; the SID is a fantastic but noisy chip that is constantly outputting in many compositions:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Bakewell_Dwayne..
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Bakewell_Dwayne..
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Somme..
This example has rhythmic pauses but still sounds like electronic music and not blues even with the digi:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Nordb..
This one has a nice relaxing Acid Jazz feel, but is not the Blues:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/B/Blues_Muz/Roest..
This is closer:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/W/Wisdom/Dream_Lo..
These compositions are all incredible but perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard for the subtractive analogue synth?
i mean like take blues song names, eg Johnny B Goode, then search taht on deepsid, and youll usually find a few covers |
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Mr SQL
Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137 |
Quote: i mean like take blues song names, eg Johnny B Goode, then search taht on deepsid, and youll usually find a few covers
Oh that's a more modern rock and roll adaptation. I'm looking for reproductions of authentic blues composition, either originals or covers, here are three genre examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f-YL02pumY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RoL-U6c3bc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ_7nYEpkBo
I'm wondering if the Fx are even possible with the SID or if the chip in the Atari is better suited to the genre. |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
Such classic https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/D/DRAX/Worktunes/.. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465 |
> perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard
> for the subtractive analogue synth?
no, but blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed. if there are exceptions - they utilize blues characteristics (rhythm, licks), but emphasize songwriting aspect. you're warmly welcome to come up with a proper algo which generates blues, that could be an interesting challenge. |
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Mr SQL
Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137 |
Quoting DiggerSuch classic https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/D/DRAX/Worktunes/..
Not blues but a most excellent composer, made me think of Taki when I saw Drax, another awesome composer:
https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/T/Taki/Draxish.sid
Quoting Hate Bush> perhaps Blues genre characteristics are particularly hard
> for the subtractive analogue synth?
no, but blues as a genre relies heavily on expression and not composition, therefore doesn't make much sense stiffly programmed. if there are exceptions - they utilize blues characteristics (rhythm, licks), but emphasize songwriting aspect. you're warmly welcome to come up with a proper algo which generates blues, that could be an interesting challenge.
Great insight I agree. I am working on an algorithm with an aspect to allow the listener to participate in the composition.
I was hoping to find algorithmic examples for the SID like the BallBlazer algorithm for Atari. Makes me wonder if there was a difficulty issue where that could not be implemented as easily on the C64 or just got left out of the port. |
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Mr SQL
Registered: Feb 2023
Posts: 137 |
I have an algorithm that does soft Jazz and Charles Ives inspired modernist composition released in Breakout Pet Factory demo from Transmission 64 this past weekend.
Working on a most difficult Blues algorithm... |
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