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2012-11-21 16:00
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
Looking for helper for upcoming SID Compo(s) (mp3 recording / hosting)

Anyone interested in this kind of slavework? I would like to make the compo as anonymous as possible, and thus while submission and voting phase will run, only mp3 recording will be available. It will also save us from problems with tunes released without credits. All tunes that will be submitted will be requested to have all final credits in them (including credits in player code) so there will be only one version of the tune (.sid) available at the end.

thanx in advance for help & suggestions

roman
2012-11-21 18:40
Dane

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 423
Ho ho ho, Santa CreamD is in the house. And boy, have we been naughty!

In addition to mp3s, upload the recordings to a Soundcloud nmade especially for the compo for the comment functions there. If it's too much hassle I can handle that part, but someone else will have to do the recordings.
2012-11-21 19:17
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
Soundloud is cute, with it's sharing ability and comments and all that, but I don't like using personal free-plan account to host the compo. If it's possible to create a "compo" for every new compo, I think we could do it that way. Question is if it's not against their term of use.

Ok so I count you as someone who would like to help with MP# uploading to SoundCloud. Now we need someone to do the recording from 8580 and 6581. MHM.
2012-11-21 21:56
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 526
I'd offer gladly, but don't own a 6581. If you're fine with only 8580 covered, then I can help!
And you can set up a free 45-min (AFAIR) soundcloud for the purpose of this compo, just use an alternative email ;)
2012-11-21 23:23
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
If it was 45, it's too low. I saw something about 120 upload minutes. It's still a bit low, if you consider that some of the musicians like (me) sometimes make tunes over 4 minutes. If there was more of them, it would not be enough. I think the hosting for MP3 is the least problem though.

Okay. So you could make 8580. I suppose most of the tunes might be 8580. So thanx for offer. I will contact you when we are ready and noone else will be up to the job. (or how they say it in england(s)..)

Anyone else having possibility to record 6581? Or both? And willing to help?

UPDATE: I have read on some forum that limit for download of track is 100 (on soundcloud). I don't know if that also counts for limit of "replays"

Reverbnation.com seems to have no limits for free account. It has embed feature with all tracks in a list. Stuff can be shared on facebook. Tested it the user profile is bloated with stuff, but I will somehow get over it. If not, I will put all stuff on youtube.
2012-11-22 05:39
la_mettrie

Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 21
Those Nectarine folks have their own hosting & compo platform. Dunno if it would be reasonable to ask if they would like to co-operate (for contacts make Nectarine account at scenemusic.net and send msg to Rams)

Compo page: http://scenecompos.net
Nectarine: https://www.scenemusic.net/
2012-11-22 10:02
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
Scene compos looks like simple page for compo announcements and storage of compopacks, but I need something more flexible so I will stick to my style. I will go with reverbnation.com as host for MP3, if there isn't any generous offer from sceners to host the files (for which I would then make my own player). Reverbnation looks quite compatible with my needs.
2012-11-22 10:55
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 640
I could host the files and also help with coding any web related stuff for the compo, if necessary.

Still, I do not really see the necessity to not make .sid files available. Was the anonymity issue really such a big one in past compos? Not sure about that.

In a *C64* related music competition I for one would really welcome having .sid/.prg files available instantly. That's like the salt in a soup, hands down.

2012-11-22 10:56
la_mettrie

Registered: Feb 2012
Posts: 21
Quote: Scene compos looks like simple page for compo announcements and storage of compopacks, but I need something more flexible so I will stick to my style. I will go with reverbnation.com as host for MP3, if there isn't any generous offer from sceners to host the files (for which I would then make my own player). Reverbnation looks quite compatible with my needs.

(just in case you did not notice, scenecompos.net has also possibility to listen to tracks in a similar fashion as Soundcloud [go to a page of some compo which has ended and press "stats & tracks". comments from voters for individual tracks can be seen by pressing "show track details" on that page])
2012-11-22 11:25
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
franz_koopa, listening! cool, yes I didn't expect it on next page. I would have exepected opening the compo page and geting right to the stuff. No sharing though ;-( Also it's kind too space wasting the way how it is designed. If they add sharing, I'm in. Thanx for hint.
Roman
2012-11-22 11:45
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075
Linus, C64 musicians use various players, some of them are unique. Also some players allow comments in code. But the non/anonymity is not that much of issue.

2 other important reasons

1. Having recording from original C64 makes it more spreadable/shareable accross the internet and social networks. With MP3 format you don't have to transfer the tune into C64 to give it justice of listening to it on real thing (aka, how it was inteded to sound on real thing (6581, 8580) and not on emulator. MP3 can be played on anything from phone, mp3 player to pc, so everyone can check the tunes and pick their favorites more comfortably.

Sharing and getting the word out is very important for me. I want everyone around to get chance to listen to some new things even by accident, when some of their friends will share them on their wall as their favorites. Also the composers can tell their friends, see it's my new tune in that compo. If you like it, go vote.

2. I'm trying to make the the compo management more efficient. In past I had to keep credited sid, unceredited sid, and MP3 (if we had mp3). Check inside of every tune if there aren't some composer's singatures etc. Clean it. Also uncredited PRG was sometimes made. There was problem, that such tunes got spread in uncredited form. There were two versions of the same music file. One clean, one signed. I was doing voting packs (d64 with uncredited versions of the tune in naive belief that people will have listening sessions on real machine and then vote (I don't thing there were many of them except of me ;-) It was messy to get the compo organised this way.

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New concept is more straigtforward. Get just one credited file from the musician. C64 executable. Get it recorded. Make MP3. Put somewhere. Add to the list. In the end make a zip with all MP3 get it spread for those who want to have listening / voting sessions.

In the end pack all executables on D64 ordered, release.
 
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