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Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?
Hello, CSDb denizens:
I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.
I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.
My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.
After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.
Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
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Why only write about one milestone demo...
dont forget the first trackmo on c64 (i am note sure... but wasnt that elysium by origo ?? ) and comalight 12 introducing the o so popular 4x4 half fli resolution . |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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My advice, contact people who are experst in this area. Maybe even make a survey between such ppl. There is for sure no exact milestone. Think Twice (;-) before you pick up just one demo. |
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Celtic
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Registered: Jan 2002
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To me personally
Dawnfall/Oxyron was a milestone, because it was so good and just one file
Access Denied/Reflex was a milestone because it introduced (to me) a new style in demos which was later followed by a lot
World of Code/Byterapers was a milestone because it send shockwaves through us sceners, being so happy Mr.Sex was back.
Courtesy of Sovjet/Wrath because of it innovating gfx/design
Wonderland series/Censor & Contex demos because of their digis AND to ME it was shoocking to see Perff/Noname come up with a FOUR channel digi player in Crazy World 3, and later on in Voodoo People (coded by cyberbrain/noname)
Well, hope this helps a little, remember this is only my opinion.
BTW> ask The dark judge for the time b4 Dutch Breeze, he can probably tell you more SHOCKING and INTERESTING milestones.
And to other, what do you think??
celtic/joost |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Ofcourse it all depends who you ask. Dutch Breeze was a milestone, but not the first demo of its kind, just the first one that had such a big impact.
One of my personal milestones: Psykolog by Panoramic Designs. First time a demo *really* gave me cold chills.
Sander wrote an excellent article about the significance and history of the c64 demo scene a while ago. As important demo's he mentions, apart from Dutch Breeze, That's The Way It Is/Scoop, 3rd Dimension/Bonzai and Red Storm/Triad. All milestones for sure.
Unfortunately the article is in dutch only, but if there's enough interest in it, I might translate it. |
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Eyeth
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Hello, 'The Dark Judge'
You wrote:
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Sander wrote an excellent article about the significance and history of the c64 demo scene a while ago. As important demo's he mentions, apart from Dutch Breeze, That's The Way It Is/Scoop, 3rd Dimension/Bonzai and Red Storm/Triad. All milestones for sure.
Unfortunately the article is in dutch only, but if there's enough interest in it, I might translate it.
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I'm interested. If the article isn't too long, I'd appreciate a translation. If it is long, maybe you can run it under those translation utilities on the Internet and simply refine the rough English a little.
I have never heard of any of the demos you mentioned. I've heard of the Triad group. Thanks for your feedback and I'll check out these demos later.
While Dutch Breeze is a ground-breaking demo, I hesistate to nominate it with 100% confidence; It was introduced in 1992 and I remember seeing impressive demos before that. If I'm going to write an article picking one demo above all others, I'd better be right. :)
Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
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T.M.R
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i don't think there's a single milestone demo that can be pointed at as "the one" - and "Dutch Breeze", although i like it, isn't the top of my personal list. "Mathematica" by Reflex, "Krestology" by Crest, "Dawnfall" and "Oneder" by Oxyron and a few others rate above it in my book... |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
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It is really hard to find "the one" demo. It's all about taste, coders, musician and graphicians have a different opinion about their "milestone". Another point is how long you are involved into those stuff, let's say you started demoloving/watching at the end of the 80ies, then you really know the standards of that time (you lived it) and some demos that were really great back then are totally lame for someone that started later, e.g. in 1992 (Rasterbars ? FLD ? BOOORING) I don't want to say that you cannot have any opinion if you aren't involved for centuries but it makes a difference. Watching the old demos now ain't the same, your background is by far too big :-D.
If you are interested in some personal views of some well known coders about their favourite demos, then check vandalism new #34. |
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T.M.R
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Slator has a more than valid point, i started out back when C64s were in black and white (well, not literally) so i list "Future Shock" by the Borderzone Dezign Team as one of my all-time favourites. Even by 1986 standards that's not an impressive demo, but i still *like* it a lot because it hangs together well. It was also the first demo i ever saw... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Future Shock rocked .. a lot of those 'old' demo's contained a certain vibe which was sadly missed later on. Remember the Jazzcat demos? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Anyway, back on topic: I think we (myself included) are forgetting the difference between personal favorites and real milestones. Meaning in the last case it IS possible to see the effect on the whole scene. For example those ugly demo's from the mid 90's were mostly based on demo's by Oxyron and Reflex.
So the question to the 'experts' should not be: what's your milestone, but "what demo do you think was a milestone for the whole scene". Let's leave our personal tastes at home in this case guys :) |
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