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2003-09-16 10:18
deizi
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Registered: May 2003
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REAL THING or Emulator?

do you have/or use The Real Thing instead of an emulator? ...and what's your opinion about emulators? (they don't work properly). i'm not really using them anymore. because i have the real thing. :)
2003-09-16 10:50
Shake

Posts: 133
emulators, good they are made. Main practical reasons for me: it saves time transfering, it's stable, use of harddisk storage.

Internet/Emulator pretty much these days replaces the combination Snailmail/Original C64. Still nothing beats watching a demo on the machine it was made for, so real demolovers should have that as well for the 'transfer worthy ones'!
2003-09-16 11:28
deizi
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ofcourse i do sometimes Preview with the emulator(s), but usually after that i transfer 'em what i previewed.
2003-09-16 11:37
TDJ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879
I haven't used the real thing since 1990 .. in fact all my Focus demos were made on an emulator, the first ones running on a spectrum zk.
2003-09-16 11:42
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048
Generally emulator is good for development of complex products like games. They also help in organisational work (checking of stuff, packing, making screenshots) and such things. *The Real thing* is for real fun. Gaming, composing, drawing, coding, etc.
2003-09-16 12:39
algorithm

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705
C64 Emulators are now at the point of being nearly 100 percent accurate (Including those with extreme vic trickery)

The main problem is the stable refresh of the display. Most PC monitors do not support 50Hz and all the imperfections (Which would have normally been blended by television) are displayed.

However a Video card with TV out can be used to display the emulator on a Television screen at exact 50Hz rate resulting in an extremely authentic experience)

Shame about the not so 100% sid emulation though
2003-09-16 13:22
Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990
i have not encountered a single vga monitor which was NOT able to display 50 Hz... they only have problems with line frequencies, not with refresh rate. but you still won't have 100% smooth scrolling, since windows and linux were not built to have smooth animations.
2003-09-16 13:37
Warbaby
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I think emulators are getting better and better (i only use winvice now).
But if you're a real c64 fan, the real thing is a must.
2003-09-16 13:57
algorithm

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705
For development purposes, using an emulator is a far less tedious experience and development time is vastly decreased.

However most C64 coders who have been coding for years on a C64 will find it easier to stay that way, although moving on to emulators will make life a lot more easier especially when coding and crunching. etc

altough I would recommend using a C64 only for designing graphics and composing music.


2003-09-16 15:20
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510
My desktop looks like this (from left to right):

A diskdrive tower with 2 1541-II and one 1581 on top (playing Ultima V right now). Then the C128D (plastic case), on top of it a 1084S. Standing on the side is a C64-II, I only use it when I don't use the C128. Then comes my PC. :-)
And yes, I do use emulators (mostly WinVice 1.12 because of Catweasel support and the very accurate emulation), but not that often anymore. Since I have the XEP cable, transferring disks is a matter of 2 minutes.
2003-09-16 15:56
White Flame

Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 136
Emulators are the only way I can run PAL demos & games, without some serious hardware & shipping expense.
 
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