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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
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VIC20, +4, C16 and so on
I think it would be nice to have all Commodore 8 bit machines on the CSDb, it might even generate more demos and stuff for the less common systems. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5032 |
Platform tag & other ideas |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Even though I'm a huge fan of every scene platform, especially those related to Commodore, I have always opposed the idea of extending CSDb with anything that has no strong connection to C64. C128 and DTV have much closer communion to C64 than the machines mentioned in the topic title. Let's not put here every engine just for the sake of the "Commodore" prefix...
The database is already quite bloated, hard to navigate, full of usability glitches so I'd rather like to see more improvements done on the layout (or on fixes and updates some of us proposed), rather than filling it up with several thousands of releases which have absolutely nothing to do with C64. |
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ptoing
Registered: Sep 2005
Posts: 271 |
I think a Platform tag as suggested by Oswald in the other thread would make most the sense. keep all the things like Demo, Trackmo, Graphics and so on and seperate it from the C64, DTV, C128 and so on. Would make more sense in either case, added platforms or not. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quote:I think a Platform tag as suggested by Oswald (...) As long as it was suggested by Oswald, consider it a lost battle :)
Edit: on the other hand, a platform view mode similar to the current crack/demo separation would probably solve the thing and make everyone happy. But I doubt Perff will ever implement the basic idea in the first place so... :/ |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote:The database is already quite bloated, hard to navigate, full of usability glitches so I'd rather like to see more improvements done on the layout (or on fixes and updates some of us proposed)
The CSDb website is clearly an interface that has been developed around the data, with the needed patches, fixes and additions.
IMHO, it wouldn't hurt if a well thought out design would replace the current skin of links, tabs and radio buttons. One done by a team of people with specialised experience in interface design.
It's been said that we are talking about Perff's database here, but it might have grown bigger than that. It's financially supported by users and serves a great deal of people. So, no offense Perff, but the time might have come that one needs to delegate...
On the platform side:
As TMR pointed out, there's a large, grey and fuzzie area between the C64 and the other 8 bit machines.
PET hasn't been mentioned yet, but this would also be a valid machine...
So we're on dangerous grounds when it comes to defining the borders of what's admissable and what's not. And given the amount of people attending CSDb and the differences between them, it's probably next to impossible to set the boundaries.
The discussions about entries have always been about if it was released by a scener. The existance of the discussions alone, proove that the scene is too vague a concept.
And like setting the boundaries based upon hardware specs, it's also not very likely we succeed in defining 'the scene'.
Some people seem to want a collection as narrow as possible (Scout, Violator), others (Ptoing, me) wouldn't mind a broader perspective. The first poses the question "what IS allowed?", the second "What's NOT allowed.".
Since both questions are equally hard to answer, especially given the fuzziness involved, perhaps it's best to not change anything yet. Leave the DTV, C128 and SuperCPU stuff where it is for now, and let's improve the database as a whole first.
We've got EmuCamp, Pouet and loads of other websites to upload/download anything we like, so clearly there's no need for a place to store things. It will be there anyway. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
nice saying mace.
My small contribution: who wants his non-c64/128/dtv release added specifically here anyway?
I guess the number is pretty small even though the Oxyparty made certain interconnections obvious. |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
VIC20 is very C64-related because all VIC20 stuff is made by people from the C64 scene. So basically the VIC20 scene is a subset of the C64 scene.
On +4 it's less C64 related, but still the +4 scene shares a lot of people with the C64 scene aswell.
I think that both platforms would make sense here.
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749 |
Quote: nice saying mace.
My small contribution: who wants his non-c64/128/dtv release added specifically here anyway?
I guess the number is pretty small even though the Oxyparty made certain interconnections obvious.
Well, if i have to pick a camp (since i rather carefully avoided doing so in my other post =-) i'd like to be able to add Cosine's VIC, C16/Plus/4 and so on stuff to the database as well - but i'd like to see the option to fall back to "CSDb Classic", removing everything bar stock C64 for the purists out there.
In our case, all the work for those platforms was done by C64 sceners... |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
I think it mostly affects the "new releases" and "new downloads" list. Here it can be annoying to have unwanted stuff, and infact it IS already annoying because you cannot filter out the stuff you are not looking for. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1576 |
Quote: I think it mostly affects the "new releases" and "new downloads" list. Here it can be annoying to have unwanted stuff, and infact it IS already annoying because you cannot filter out the stuff you are not looking for.
That's why a Platform View Mode would solve the whole matter. I think that both sides should be pleased with such a solution. Don't want other platforms than C64? Simply turn them off. |
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