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2016-10-07 19:54
Ghostrider
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C64 color comparison

<Post edited by Ghostrider on 20/11-2024 15:37>

So, I'm playing around with something that utilizes color differences, and I wanted my code to be as good as I could make it. That led me into a little research, resulting in the below table (and documentation) in my code. I have no idea whether others have done anything like this, I just thought I'd share it in case it could be useful for someone. (Tho I guess there could be someone who doesn't like the Pepto palette). The color-differences range from 0 to 100, as can be seen from the difference between black and white.

/* COLOR-DIFFERENCE TABLE, measuring how alike 2 colors look to the human eye.
 *
 * Created by translating the correct C64 RGB-palette (as thoroughly researched
 * by Philip 'Pepto' Timmermann, and published in the "Commodore VIC-II Color
 * Analysis"):
 *
 * Black      White      Red        Cyan       Purple     Green      Blue
 * 00 00 00   ff ff ff   68 37 2b   70 a4 b2   6f 3d 86   58 8d 43   35 28 79
 *
 * Yellow     Orange     Brown      Lt Red     Dark Grey  Med Grey   Lt green
 * b8 c7 6f   6f 4f 25   43 39 00   9a 67 59   44 44 44   6c 6c 6c   9a d2 84
 *
 * Lt Blue    Lt Grey
 * 6c 5e b5   95 95 95
 *
 *
 * into the intended perceptually uniform CIE L*a*b* (CIELAB) color space via
 * Photoshop CS5:
 *
 * Black      White     Red       Cyan        Purple     Green      Blue
 * 0 0 0      100 0 0   29 21 18  64 -15 -13  35 32 -32  54 -29 33  22 25 -45
 *
 * Yellow     Orange    Brown     Lt Red      Dark Grey  Med Grey   Lt green
 * 78 -15 42  36 10 30  24 0 33   49 20 17    29 0 0     46 0 0     79 -29 33
 *
 * Lt Blue    Lt Grey
 * 44 22 -45  62 0 0
 *
 * and finally, using the above CIE L*a*b* values, computing the
 * color-differences between any two C64 colors. This was done using a Matlab
 * implementation of the CIEDE2000 color-difference formula, published by
 * Gaurav Sharma at the University of Rochester. As of 2016, this should be the
 * best visual-color-difference algorithm available.
 */
float colordiff[16][16] = {
	{0.00000, 100.00000, 27.29927, 53.26580, 33.36977, 46.54540, 27.91278,
	 71.32101, 30.91014, 24.36201, 40.40526, 18.97503, 32.86756, 72.80412,
	 39.20668, 48.53537},

	{100.00000, 0.00000, 61.97257, 29.34183, 56.93753, 40.24329, 71.85536,
	 26.50693, 54.14554, 67.73280, 42.05900, 58.78266, 40.33892, 26.72007,
	 48.58504, 26.02320},

	{27.29927, 61.97257, 0.00000, 53.66487, 28.72115, 44.76018, 33.08048,
	 56.92023, 14.00707, 21.06269, 17.36067, 19.62648, 24.37162, 61.72667,
	 35.29397, 37.10740},

	{53.26580, 29.34183, 53.66487, 0.00000, 38.60884, 30.82463, 43.73660,
	 34.43323, 43.05106, 48.64282, 43.62700, 37.61613, 23.58306, 31.63124,
	 27.79863, 16.38323},

	{33.36977, 56.93753, 28.72115, 38.60884, 0.00000, 63.67504, 13.95492,
	 69.94213, 40.00703, 47.52039, 30.66366, 24.06466, 25.52344, 73.27806,
	 13.99189, 35.70972},

	{46.54540, 40.24329, 44.76018, 30.82463, 63.67504, 0.00000, 55.77398,
	 21.74555, 31.80033, 31.80176, 38.51345, 32.30988, 24.56106, 20.17950,
	 49.67790, 24.32458},

	{27.91278, 71.85536, 33.08048, 43.73660, 13.95492, 55.77398, 0.00000,
	 80.90839, 43.71174, 48.31631, 39.23529, 24.73801, 31.07341, 74.86371,
	 17.74707, 43.54902},

	{71.32101, 26.50693, 56.92023, 34.43323, 69.94213, 21.74555, 80.90839,
	 0.00000, 42.97277, 54.79072, 39.45047, 52.55362, 35.47933, 9.66140,
	 64.56892, 25.73341},

	{30.91014, 54.14554, 14.00707, 43.05106, 40.00703, 31.80033, 43.71174,
	 42.97277, 0.00000, 12.50487, 17.45413, 19.77869, 20.96770, 47.52027,
	 42.70317, 32.11929},

	{24.36201, 67.73280, 21.06269, 48.64282, 47.52039, 31.80176, 48.31631,
	 54.79072, 12.50487, 0.00000, 29.37105, 19.29903, 26.19519, 57.58782,
	 50.39976, 39.71692},

	{40.40526, 42.05900, 17.36067, 43.62700, 30.66366, 38.51345, 39.23529,
	 39.45047, 17.45413, 29.37105, 0.00000, 25.82295, 19.35305, 45.64642,
	 32.88847, 22.69667},

	{18.97503, 58.78266, 19.62648, 37.61613, 24.06466, 32.30988, 24.73801,
	 52.55362, 19.77869, 19.29903, 25.82295, 0.00000, 14.44913, 53.39135,
	 26.98485, 31.49222},

	{32.86756, 40.33892, 24.37162, 23.58306, 25.52344, 24.56106, 31.07341,
	 35.47933, 20.96770, 26.19519, 19.35305, 14.44913, 0.00000, 36.41365,
	 23.94736, 15.38462},

	{72.80412, 26.72007, 61.72667, 31.63124, 73.27806, 20.17950, 74.86371,
	 9.66140, 47.52027, 57.58782, 45.64642, 53.39135, 36.41365, 0.00000,
	 57.25129, 26.64841},

	{39.20668, 48.58504, 35.29397, 27.79863, 13.99189, 49.67790, 17.74707,
	 64.56892, 42.70317, 50.39976, 32.88847, 26.98485, 23.94736, 57.25129,
	 0.00000, 29.63502},

	{48.53537, 26.02320, 37.10740, 16.38323, 35.70972, 24.32458, 43.54902,
	 25.73341, 32.11929, 39.71692, 22.69667, 31.49222, 15.38462, 26.64841,
	 29.63502, 0.00000}
};

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2024-11-22 21:52
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478
Quote: These days you should probably use the values Tobias measured (different for odd and even lines) to get optimal results (this is what VICE uses for the CRT emulation/palette generator now)

Very good pointer! THX!

Is there a thread or link to a webpage or whatever where I can see these values? Or maybe I should just contact him ;)
2024-11-23 00:34
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11391
There was some thread on F64, a year ago or so. I usually just contact him directly :)
2024-11-24 13:33
Ghostrider
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Posts: 45
Hey guys,
just to let you know my account got hacked, so the un-necrofying in post #17 above was not me. You might also notice the PETDel crap that the ill-natured person inserted at the bottom of my original post. (Maybe it will be removed again, I don't know.) I've changed my password.

Had no intention to revive this thread, nevertheless always interesting to see different ideas on the color stuff.
2024-11-24 23:57
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1940
Thanx Ghostrider -removed the post and Admin team is currently looking at further incidents affecting the database.
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