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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Oldskool vs Newskool
It seems that some people are stuck in a fantasy that every single tune coming on the C64, must:
1. have beats like Jeroen Tel
2. have melody like drax
3. have sounds like rob hubbard
4. be crazy inspiring like ben daglish
5. and that it has to have the smoothes baby ass 1988 bass filter
6. and so on...
so what is oldskool ?
1986 sounds ?
or 'playing it safe' ?
and what is newskool ?
be a copy of linus ?
It seems there are some persons who dont realize that HVSC has about every style of music on earth in it.
You can find old classical piano tunes, mostly people made them before hubbard religion came :D
then hubbard religion came, and everybody want to follow it, the most prominent child of hubby is jt.
although different style... its still a hubbyism...
then 20cc, what is this ? a jt religion..
rock/finnish gold....
We can mention so many.
There are founders of religion, and followers, those make up more than 80% of the composers.
And then there are the innovators, who take a risk, and do something completely new, and weird, or non standard.
Ed, Goto80, Mermaid... that sort of thing..
So, to the point, and ofcourse it is about my latest sid upload :D what else would it be about ? :D
Well, i can claim to call it newskool, because of the fact, it does not follow any of the religions i just mentioned.
You dear listener, should not expect every single tune, to be a melodic, progressive, manio depressive gut wrenching tune comparable to the depths of drax's mind.
You are in error.
There is more than just drax'ism :D
Specifically i would call my tune 'industrial techno', its the closest i can come to some kinda description. and as such, it is extremely well in its own class.
As a 'standard' C64 style tune, based on the religions mentioned, it is ofcourse completely off.
To the final point:
I appreciate your comments whatever they are, but when you f.ex write: there isnt much progression, or i would wish there was more melody, then dear listener, you have misunderstood it: industrial techno has no progressive melodic element :D
What is oldskool : when you follow the traditions
what is newskool : when you dont
That is all.
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
I agree with the statement that there has to be more merit behind experimental track than just experiment itself. One of my favs, Zyron's "What The...?" is a great example of that. Besides from being experimental, it is highly enjoyable. Still, it's all subjective, I guess.
I always considered myself as being part of the newschool movement, now I start questioning if my tracks were ever experimental enough ;) |
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pvcf
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 18 |
maybe we all (musicians) have to learn the second thing (after composing): take different opinions about our music from different listeners. especially if the rating of the last track isn't what the musician has expected.
for me,back in time, it was a very hard lession, (and i hope for other beginners aswell ;) ).
even now, after 18 years of composing i'm a little bit frustrated if a new track doesn't fit the expactations of the listener. but heh, thats life! and what the fuck: every new song CAN NOT BE a super duper 10/10 points award winning track which beats all previuos one's.
@jan
oldshool vs newschool:
it really depends on the mood, sometimes i like to hear rob hubbards stuff, sometimes some linus stuff. its a matter of taste, a matter of time, and, what you have written under your tune: a matter of alcohol ;)
for me for instance: i have listened your tune for about 3 minutes,(without alcohol;) (i hoped there will be a break with some melodic stuff;) and i really liked the sounds, especially drumms, snare and the ringmod-echo-effects). |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
@PVCF: so damn true!! The biggest lesson in humility IMHO is trying to expand from SID into the world of so called "real" music. You get your ambitions slapped around a few times, you learn to keep a healthy distance to things ;) |
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Celtic
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
Since i work in the real music industry i have a bit perspective from that side. And have to agree with PVCF on that not every song is a great song. I have known bands and artists writing around 75 songs to make a new record and eventually only finding 2 or 3 good enough. I know metallica (not a fan anymore, but they are a good example) writes around 50 songs per album orso...
Not everything some makes is awesome. I have made good gfx and horrible gfx. And i love Jan's songs, but certainly not all of them.... |
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null
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
How about this:
Everyone has a different taste and opinion about music, so instead of whining about it let's all stfu and enjoy/create music.
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
yea, its a matter of taste... i voted you a 3 on your latest tune because for me it almost totally sucks, but a 9 for your datastorm tune because it ruled for me. i always try to be honest when voting... keep experimenting, but dont be pissed when ppl sometimes dont like what comes out of it. you know... when ppl downvote my pictures its np as long i like the pic myself. i am not a musician, so i dont care if something is technically well done or whatever. i just love music when it "hits" me... and sometimes it does, sometimes it doesnt. |
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Ksubi
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Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 87 |
There's always a risk of rejection when we expose our "art" to the public. Art is such a subjective / personal experience that rarely 2 people see/hear/feel the same thing. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
There are many good points in this thread.
New school vs old-school - there is no clear definition for that I guess. Maybe, you say 'wow that's old-school sounding' when you hear something that reminds you of the times when SID composing was not about using a "holy grail" editor. The holy grail was the musician and his knowledge of C64 back in the times when everything needed to be invented. Even though methods were raw and imperfect, every and each music driver had personality. The spreading of first really effective editors put an end to that period of time. Perhaps, new school started with Chris Hülsbeck and Charles Deenen. Their editors were among the firsts that opened the eyes of the public for SID composing.
+/- feedback... awww :)
It is nice to hear anyone's any opinion but shall never be considered or taken too deep. Considering opinions separates product from art.
Contemporaty SID music is art, a total free and underground one. So, do it your way and never look back, end of story :) |
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Danko
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 19 |
The reason howcome most of my old SIDs suck (besides me being short of a toddler at the time of creation), is that I just played around with sounds and shit for my own well being following my own ideas and thoughts. How's that for old skool focus?
I figure my own conceptions that were not blatant attempts to mimic Hubbard, Galway or Bogg were probably a tad bit better than the ones that were.
You can either place me in the "old skool" compartment or, god forbid, that dreadful "Danko" compartment.
Well, then there's that 15 minute experiment called "Plasticpop". It was an over obvious attempt to mimic and ridicule that contemporary Drax style for the fun of it. Just look at what happened many years later...
But I digress.
Oldskool to me?
Action Biker by Rob Hubbard.
Cheers,
Danko |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Oldschool as Danko said is among the tunes of Rob Hubbard (Phantom of the Asteroids, International Karate ..)
Newschool still is to me guys like JT and Drax etc :-D
And who's this Linus you keep talking about ?
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