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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
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Locked Entries
I'm not sure if this is a bug, or a design flaw =) ...
When I lock a group, others can still add members to it.
Shouldn't it be possible to prevent others from adding anything to that group, be it members or releases or anything else?
Also, it would be useful to lock the releases of a group _with_ the group so I won't have to go through all the releases and set the maintainer? |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
I'd say 100%, except for user comments, of course...
everything less is as good as not locking at all...
maybe there could be a two-level lock, first level just locks the group/scener/production entry itself, second level locks it completely, also preventing others from adding members, credits and alike... |
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Perff
Administrator
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I like that idea.
Perhaps adding a checkbox to the edit page with which the maintainers then can choose is it's possible to add credits/memberships etc. to this entry?
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
1. How about if maintainer of the locked entry was set as a person who will confirm/deny additional changes by the other people. He could be informed about the new additions throught E-mail.
And as far as changelog is conerned. By making it visible for registered users you will make the database editing more transparent. It's not a question of blaming anyone for adding stuff to database, it's more about letting users to keep an eye over the quality of the databse. For instance, I've changed Ben Daglish entry to BIMBAS as it had his data under his name, then someone changed it back, so I've changed Ben Daglish's country from Slovakia to England. If there were more users knowing that this happened, for sure someone could notice where is the problem and either send me to hell or correct my mistake. But now the whole thing dependeds on the admin of the site, who can't know everything about everyone so how he will decide about whether to leave changes or reject back to older data.
Cyber, that visible changelog was just a suggestion, you don't have to accept it, but overreacting won't help you you to persuade anyone about your opinion. |
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Commander
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106 |
CyberBrain is right about everything. If we go on with reacting like Seven then this database has no meaning anymore. If some people go on with this kind of reactions, then I even don't support it anymore. I liked the system like it is lately. With that locking-thing there are so many aggressive reactions. We in the scene need to be friends, but the reactions I see in these forum makes more enemies then friends.
When I see that Seven didn't like the adding of info from CyberBrain, then I ask myself if it is still something to support because then some people are driving it too far.
Some people should be lucky if other people add info before they do, so things go faster in this database!!!!
If the locking-thing is getting too far, I quit the support; I mean that. I thought this all was meant as a database (with support) and brought us scene people as friends together. But this is no friendship, why do we have to act so aggressive???
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Celtic
Administrator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 807 |
commander... seven is not reacting agresively. he is just trying to start a discussion how to make it better, in fact i think he is doing a great job by giving the danish nonamers ideas to perfect and improve this database... i just say thumbs up to seven. he is actually being involved in it.. and it is good to see that.
the database is for everyone... and therefor eventually it should contain everything.. including information on other webpages. but i do not think it will make other pages obsolete, coz f.e. the digital excess page is something someone should check out because it is a nice and cool page...
maybe we should be able to vote on cool webpages?? |
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Commander
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106 |
A really nice discussion if you read everything above...
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
I'm not sure if I'm agressive, but if so, it's not because of the database, but because some people just don't get the point...
what world is it you live in where all sceners are friends? we had wars between sceners and groups in the good old days, and even today some people can't stand each other, so get real...
but back to the topic.... the Locked Entries suggestion I did make was not to keep other people from adding things to the database, but to ensure a certain level of correctness...
there IS a locking feature, and it has been around for quite a while, I'm sure you all are aware of that, and it's a good thing, and it should stay, noone argued that so far...
I just want to ensure, that the data added to the database is as correct as possible, so if someone is/was the founder/organizer or whatever of a group and should know best about what went on in that group, who joined and what productions they got out, it should be left to him to add these things, if he's willing to....
and if he's willing to add all that, let him lock the whole thing so others won't add wrong data to the group... and I'm glad Perff is going along with that idea...
yes, a checkbox would be nice, I also like CreamD's suggestion about the confirmation of data others added to a group... this way people can add stuff if they think they have to, and the maintainer can still have control over what is shown...
and once more back to commander: I explained to CyberBrain in private message why I'd prefer him to delete the data he copied from the webpage, because I didn't think it'd be of anyone's interest, but since you go on being pissy about things, here's to you...
the info on our webpage is far from complete and might change in the future as soon as I find the time to rewrite things and talk to the other persons involved... with CyberBrain copying the (incomplete) texts from our webpages and adding it to CSDb I'd have to notify him of every single change so the data on CSDb can be corrected/completed, since he'd be the only one able to change his own comment entry...
in addition to that, he copied both, the abreviated text from our production index page aswell as the longer text from the detail page into one comment, which results in duplicate info and hardly made any sense...
I can't tell anyone not to comment on our productions, but my own comment should be my own, and not added by someone else, so that I can edit and change as _I_ see fit...
leaving my own texts for me to edit is a way of showing respect and being polite, dear commander...
CyberBrain understood that and was kind enough to act accordingly... so why can't _you_ understand that? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
"what world is it you live in where all sceners are friends? we had wars between sceners and groups in the good old days, and even today some people can't stand each other, so get real..."
This inspired me to suggest a "wannabe improvement idea" for such purposes ;-)
The option:
"I know this scener, and I would like to add (nasty) comment on him"
;-)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
creamd, you know what? FICKEN! :o) |
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Commander
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 106 |
Seven, I understand you very well! I only hope that this database won't become a database for the so-called elite only... And it is my opinion : if there is going to be too much locking, then this database won't last long.
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