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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Tags (yet again)
It is still unbeknownst to me why tags weren't implemented yet, or why are some so stubbornly against it. This portal is almost completely based on IMDb, and tags are one of the most useful features on that site.
Just a few of the useful features it would bring:
- finding demos containing an effect, record, theme...
- finding musics with a specific style, instrument, musical technique...
- finding images with a certain motive, character, technique, color-sceme...
- finding a specific usage of a tool/utility
- finding a magazine with an article about XY
- etc. etc...
It wouldn't take more than an hour to implement: another textbox on the "add comments" page with the Tags label (separated with commas) -> parsing the field and popping it out on the profile-page (as links, so if I'd click on a tag, I'd be redirected to a search-results page with a list of all those products where the same or similar tag was present).
Of course it wouldn't work right away, populating would certainly take some time. Just as everything else on this site.
Any thoughts? And in case of another instant rejection, I'd definitely love to get a bit more reasonable answer than the usual "I don't think we need it. Oh, and look here's my middle finger too. thxbai"
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: To help with consistency, it would be good for a unique tag list to be available to select from, as well as a field to add new ones.
+1 for tags.
agreed! +1
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:Groepaz: Do you have any examples of webaites where tags are being misused like you predict?
to be honest, i find them useless on most sites that use them. and they are especially bad on sites that dont have god knows how many users (like csdb). its the good old voting problem again - the only way to fix it is to get more people involved.
Quote:I don't see any drawbacks here, except if utterly dumb people enter actual release properties into the tags textbox
since you would be looking after it, thats not a problem =) |
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Jon
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
The CSDb has always been self policing. I don't understand why anyone would suspect a change in behavior with the introduction of tags.
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Gropeaz its the good old voting problem again - the only way to fix it is to get more people involved.
Hold on, there's a difference. Even one single tag would bring valuable content to a product page. However, a vote is someone's subjective opinion, often frown upon, and it's not a beneficial part of the information related to the product. Secondly, the vote-system is simply flawed, a lot of users hate it, don't want to use it, or use it anonymously (out of fear). Why would be the same with tags? As opposed to voting, it won't be a penis-size contest. By he same logic you argue against tags, one could also disapprove the comment-system, the forum, the charts, the bbcode, the history on your userpage, heck, even the site's design itself, almost everything except pure, raw data presentation.
Don't understand me wrong, a few of us value the work you do here, but you often seem to completely forget that the site is actually based on hundreds, if not thousands of people: those who regularly upload or actually make something on the C64, so please forgive us when we feel that CSDb doesn't exclusively belongs to the handful of moderators.
OK then, let's summarize the pros and cons of tags:
Cons:
- some very dumb people who can't distinguish an empty text-box with a "Tags" label from the product properties dropdown may or may not mess up their release-page
- takes time to grow to a useful size (just like everything else on this site)
- it's useless for Groepaz
Pros:
- a cross-referencing functionality, helping in database transparency
- finding related products with ease (e.g. demos with plot records, musics with fast tempo, graphics with a grey color-scheme, tools for fonts, etc etc etc); that is currently impossible without tags
- the majority (if not all) of the users are actually in favor of it
I think I'll rest my case here. Doesn't seems we could move on further from this point.
It's now on Perff. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3193 |
"- the majority (if not all) of the users are actually in favor of it"
You're imagining things. I don't see THAT much people yelling for it actually.
I really wonder if the people asking for it would spend their time filling the tags everywhere, because you know, they don't fill by themselves. Once implemented someone has to do the job. Current situation is that 1% of csdb users actually enter useful infos, rest just whine all day doing absolutely nothing. |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
yes np i will do my 80 odd entries, maybe Bob and dokks and Sits too. Pete I am sure will tag all the MT stuff and possibly between us begin tagging the released at CNET stuff.
perhaps (gasp) people on here could actually be encouraged to tag their own stuff.
maybe, just maybe most folks on here are just so sick of being shouted down by the negative bastards for 12 years, that they just don't want to stick their heads above the parapet any more?
How many people have said no? just one. that does not mean to say the rest are against it. It just means to say they have been beaten into submission by a certain vocal minority on here.
and some of us haven't :P
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: "- the majority (if not all) of the users are actually in favor of it"
You're imagining things. I don't see THAT much people yelling for it actually.
I really wonder if the people asking for it would spend their time filling the tags everywhere, because you know, they don't fill by themselves. Once implemented someone has to do the job. Current situation is that 1% of csdb users actually enter useful infos, rest just whine all day doing absolutely nothing.
Not yelling for it now that's for sure, but no one except Groepaz stood up against it so vehemently.
And once again: why is bare minimal info worse than no info at all? If half of the 1% of CSDb users who actually enter useful infos would enter some tag-data as well, I'd already call it a success.
Nevertheless, there's a huge common set of CSDb users and active C64 sceners who can't find the time to participate in maintaining the database as they're busy with other C64 related activities, BUT would like to use an accessible, user friendly, familiar platform where their works are presented to the general public. Some of the moderators constantly forget this. Hence the reactions you and the mods label as "whining".
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
I could see myself adding a lot of tags, if it's not implemented in a userunfriendly way where you have to go throuh 3 steps that each take 10 seconds to load for each tag you wanna add. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quote: I could see myself adding a lot of tags, if it's not implemented in a userunfriendly way where you have to go throuh 3 steps that each take 10 seconds to load for each tag you wanna add.
Same here. I'd most definitely go through a lot of the graphics entries and tag them, I am commenting and voting for them constantly anyway.
The way of tagging as I described seems quite straight-forward and fast to me. But suggestions are always welcome! |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255 |
Here's another +1 for tags.
I would certainly spend time adding tags to releases I've been involved with, not to mention adding tags to releases I've found the hard way when it could have taken a second or two using tags, just to help the next guys out.
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