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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
CSDb: quantify me
CSDb-based quantitative analyses of the C64 Scene
http://www.xentax.com/?page_id=235 |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Look, I have the data of who created (which group) those releases as well, so we can sort this matter out easily? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
"it's all greets to 1/2 of Cnet or other groups they knew would get the demos via Cnet."
so the other half must have existed outside cnet eh?
when i started ~86 i didnt even know cnet exists :) like everyone else i ofcourse got the demos released there somehow, but releasing demos wasnt really associated with cnet by anyone i knew. the place to release demos were the venlo meetings (and their predecessors), and thats where groups like 1001 and the judges put it out, too :)
as for profilic "demo writers" of that era - Pegasus comes to mind for me first, not a cnetter, afaik :)
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
As some lamer deleted the release entry, here's Marauder's PDF of the analysis, so it doesn't get lost.
http://www.xentax.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/CSDb%20analyse..
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: "it's all greets to 1/2 of Cnet or other groups they knew would get the demos via Cnet."
so the other half must have existed outside cnet eh?
when i started ~86 i didnt even know cnet exists :) like everyone else i ofcourse got the demos released there somehow, but releasing demos wasnt really associated with cnet by anyone i knew. the place to release demos were the venlo meetings (and their predecessors), and thats where groups like 1001 and the judges put it out, too :)
as for profilic "demo writers" of that era - Pegasus comes to mind for me first, not a cnetter, afaik :)
I think you've somehow misunderstood me there ;)
"it's all greets to 1/2 of Cnet" != 1/2 the greets are to Cnetters, there's a big difference ;)
You started in 86, didn't know about Cnet (I probably didn't at the start of 86) but got the demos released from somewhere means you were still benefiting from Cnet being there. If it hadn't been there wouldn't be a place for most of the UK guys to spread their stuff. I also didn't say it was the place to "release" demos, rather a hub for them. It was a bit like here, a central place where nearly anything of any value got uploaded, downloaded by demo fans, coders, traders (and got spread to people without Cnet access) and even software companies.
As for "prolific", you've pointed me to an artist who has at least one release that's a bitmap just reused in someone elses demo. In total over 4 years he's got ~12 releases, including the "reused" ones (who knows what of his in the later stuff by other groups). Not what I'd call prolific ;)
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:It was a bit like here, a central place where nearly anything of any value got uploaded, downloaded by demo fans, coders, traders (and got spread to people without Cnet access) and even software companies.
and to many, cnet was completely non existant, the place to spread stuff were said meetings. heck, a significant amount of releases (the cracks) never made it to cnet at all.
Quote:As for "prolific", you've pointed me to an artist who has at least one release that's a bitmap just reused in someone elses demo. In total over 4 years he's got ~12 releases, including the "reused" ones (who knows what of his in the later stuff by other groups). Not what I'd call prolific ;)
you seem to have little idea of how famous he was though. his gfx was almost omnipresent - atleast around here -, it has been used in a LOT of demos (the list of credits here really means nothing) too.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"and to many, cnet was completely non existant"
Just like me and that made me arrogent, because it was certainly not the central part of my scene experience, and there are shitloads of guys like that out there. I bet the most of the scene guys even in GB had no access to CNET. I also bet the peak would look almost the same without CNET. It's the middle of c64's golden era, with or without CNET. CNET is just a part of the big picture. |
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: Quote:It was a bit like here, a central place where nearly anything of any value got uploaded, downloaded by demo fans, coders, traders (and got spread to people without Cnet access) and even software companies.
and to many, cnet was completely non existant, the place to spread stuff were said meetings. heck, a significant amount of releases (the cracks) never made it to cnet at all.
Quote:As for "prolific", you've pointed me to an artist who has at least one release that's a bitmap just reused in someone elses demo. In total over 4 years he's got ~12 releases, including the "reused" ones (who knows what of his in the later stuff by other groups). Not what I'd call prolific ;)
you seem to have little idea of how famous he was though. his gfx was almost omnipresent - atleast around here -, it has been used in a LOT of demos (the list of credits here really means nothing) too.
Fair enough cracks never got on there, it wasn't allowed anyway but I hadn't mixed those into my equation :P
No offence to Pegasus (and I quite like what I've just seen of his graphics) but he can't have been THAT famous if you have to say "at least round here" ;)
If the list of credits means nothing it seems kind of pointless to use it as a point of fact to show me a "prolific" demo creator, then blame me for "having little idea". There are demos of mine missing from here so I don't want to count my total files for that ~1.5 years I was on Cnet.
Basically nobody is trying to say stuff ONLY got produced/released on Cnet, just that despite your experience it was a massive hub for the scene (demos at least) and I thought that was what we were talking about (due to earlier posts about the demo scene)
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JCB
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Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: "and to many, cnet was completely non existant"
Just like me and that made me arrogent, because it was certainly not the central part of my scene experience, and there are shitloads of guys like that out there. I bet the most of the scene guys even in GB had no access to CNET. I also bet the peak would look almost the same without CNET. It's the middle of c64's golden era, with or without CNET. CNET is just a part of the big picture.
Yeah, but don't forget to quote the part where he says "got the demos released there somehow". Strange getting files from a non-existent place ;)
*edit*
BTW, not sure it makes u arrogant, being 10 years old and not knowing about Cnet is a valid excuse :P
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Oswald apparently you were 11 years old when "the golden age" was upon us.
do you seriously expect me to take your "experience" then as a yardstick for the demo scene?
you are like someone born in 1961 trying to tell The Who what the 60s music scene was all about.
oh and i assume u did read the wrong graph?
the right graph of 160 releases when divided amongst the 4 guys mentioned in 87 doesnt look so outlandish now does it?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:No offence to Pegasus (and I quite like what I've just seen of his graphics) but he can't have been THAT famous if you have to say "at least round here" ;)
i dont have experience with how famous he was outside germany, sorry. but seeing how many sceners (and their productions) came from germany compared to other countries... oh well.
Quote:If the list of credits means nothing it seems kind of pointless to use it as a point of fact to show me a "prolific" demo creator, then blame me for "having little idea".
i didnt show you any list of credits and didnt use it to show anything. i simply linked to an artists entry, no more no less. and indeed, if you didnt even *know* him, "having little idea" comes to mind. he was certainly just as known as 1001 or the judges.
Quote:Basically nobody is trying to say stuff ONLY got produced/released on Cnet, just that despite your experience it was a massive hub for the scene (demos at least) and I thought that was what we were talking about (due to earlier posts about the demo scene)
and despite your experience, cnet wasnt all that big. it was a "hub" for a very small minority of sceners infact. mostly wannabee commercial sceners at that, which often had little connection to the rest of the scene - which *was* cracks+demos at this point, there hardly were any groups not doing both, except a small minority, eg the cnet people :)
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