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2014-03-07 11:45
Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508
Doynamite 1.x

Hi Folx,

after doynamite was used in some recent productions and people often stumbled over the .prg/.bin pitfall i decided to make some improvements to the packer, it can now spit out a sfx, level-packed data including a valid load-address and depack-address, as well as forward literals to keep the safety margin low. Raw data can still be loaded and output without any bytes added. Also the optimal bitlengths can be iterated now and the optimal table be glued to the output file.
I also happend to make a leaner version that lets the files get slightly bigger, but shrinks the depacker to $e0 bytes and makes depacking 5-10% faster. This might be of good use for demo systems where size matters a lot.
Any more things one could wish?
 
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2014-03-10 18:12
ruk

Registered: Jan 2012
Posts: 43
Quote: Hmm.. are you guys saying that byte-boozer decrunching is slow? Perhaps i could do something about it. I assume these values are already using the "optimized" version of the decruncher that has inlined getter of the code-bytes..

Apart from that, i think you guys should spend a minute or two on linking instead. It's quite easy to make 5-10 seconds of black empty screen feel like nothing if you just have something on the screen moving or doing some kind of easy effect.


Yes, what HCL says. "Dead air" is really boring, but easily remedied. And while a fast depacker surely helps, it is not the only way.

We've successfully used the "oh-no-so-dawg-slow" Exomizer for all our parts in Revolved, Solaris and Continuum without any noticeable pauses. In those cases where we couldn't load and unpack while a part was running, some small rasterbar effect or similar filler-part was inserted.
2014-03-10 18:21
algorithm

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 705
Yes, even if exomizer is a lot slower, usually, it only requires a few extra seconds of 'demo' effect before its done its job. Main use for the faster depacking would probably be if requiring fast load and depack (some type of chunk based streaming) that is compressed finally with a packed that depacks fast
2014-03-10 18:25
Bitbreaker

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 508
It is also useful if you want to achieve a higher pace than offence :-) But one could of course say it is art and intended to be slow :-)
2014-03-12 13:52
Urban Space Cowboy

Registered: Nov 2004
Posts: 45
Quoting ChristopherJam
Is the Pearls for Pigs corpus downloadable anywhere?
It's included in LZWVL, the file "bin.rar".
2014-03-12 14:13
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094
its easy to talk about it, but in reality a fast paced demo needs blood,tears, sweat and a human sacrifice
2014-03-12 17:43
WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 902
Quote: Quoting ChristopherJam
Is the Pearls for Pigs corpus downloadable anywhere?
It's included in LZWVL, the file "bin.rar".


W00t! I totally forgot that :-D

Those files are nice collection of 'real' data. Some music, some code, some graphics, tables, etc etc :-)
2014-03-13 05:05
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409
Thank you. And yes, it sounds like a pretty representative dataset for what packers face in practice.
2014-03-13 05:52
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409
..and as for things to do while performing a slow decrunch, loader games anyone? ;)
2014-03-13 09:35
WVL

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 902
So.. how did your packed perform then? :-)
2014-03-13 11:53
ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1409
Not quite as good as WVL-S! Here are the results with tinycrunch added:

filesizes
#   bin   rle wvl-f wvl-s    tc    bb    pu doyna
- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
1 11008  8020  4529  4151  4329  3383  3410  3265
2  4973  4314  3532  3309  3423  2648  2687  2512
3  3949  3498  2991  2617  2972  2187  2226  2108
4  7016  6456  4242  4085  4225  3681  3595  3617
5 34760 27647 25781 24895 25210 21306 20887 20405
6 31605 12511 11283 10923 11614  9194  8877  8904
7 20392 17295 12108 11285 11445  9627  9460  9289
8  5713  5407  4179  3916  3936  3251  3314  3132
9  8960  7986  6914  6896  6572  5586  5651  5430

filesize in %
#   bin   rle wvl-f wvl-s   tc    bb    pu doyna
- ----- ----- ----- -----  --- ----- ----- -----
1  100%   73%   41%   38%  39%   31%   31%   30%
2  100%   87%   71%   67%  69%   53%   54%   51%
3  100%   89%   76%   66%  75%   55%   56%   53%
4  100%   92%   60%   58%  60%   52%   51%   52%
5  100%   80%   74%   72%  73%   61%   60%   59%
6  100%   40%   36%   35%  37%   29%   28%   28%
7  100%   85%   59%   55%  56%   47%   46%   46%
8  100%   95%   73%   69%  69%   57%   58%   55%
9  100%   89%   77%   77%  73%   62%   63%   61%

number of frames to depack
#   bin   rle wvl-f wvl-s    tc    bb    pu doyna
- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
1          11    13    14    15    58          27
2           5     7     7     9    38          17
3           4     6     6     7    28          12
4           8     9     9    10    43          20
5          36    39    42    59   300         119
6          20    25    25    37   126          49
7          22    25    26    32   138          60
8           6     8     8    10    43          18
9           9    12    12    16    73          32


As you can see, my sizes are always bracketed by WVL-F and WVL-S, and my decompression speed is two thirds of yours for 6.bin.

(crunching the entire corpus took 7 seconds on a single core of a 3GHz i7. It's a fairly slack python script, I put all recent substrings in a dict. The parameters are tuned for the lower entropy components of JamBall2, I might be able to improve the ratio if I play with it a bit).
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