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2006-07-11 12:55
Bamu®
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Stupid Hardrestart...

A question to all msx-player coders.

Why 99% of all players have a completely worse hardrestart???
I only know a few (not more than 5) which owns a really HARD = good sound-restart.
With every other player it's impossible to create modern/up-to-date instruments.

I think there are some nice editors (with nice interfaces) out there, but the completely outdated hardrestart destroys everything. :(

So, any explanation for this?
 
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2006-07-11 21:09
Laxity

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459
Same as it's up to the composer to compose some decent music ;)
2006-07-11 21:13
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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bah. composing is overrated! -> http://www.sonne-macht-krebs.de/mp3/1800sec_monotone_klangwelt...
2006-07-11 22:02
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
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Grabowski's player (sosperec) IMO wasn't oldschool... ;-) DOS and Cane had quite modern sound.
2006-07-12 04:32
Laxity

Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459
Quote: bah. composing is overrated! -> http://www.sonne-macht-krebs.de/mp3/1800sec_monotone_klangwelt...

Whoa.. ;) Indeed composing is overrated!
2006-07-12 09:45
Rough
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Posts: 1829
Quote: 1. Future Composer is NOT a player, but an editor originally made by Finish Gold on the 1. generation MoN player.
2. The 1. generation MoN player does NOT have hard restart.

I'll dig in my own garden, that what I know best.

- Laxity player v3.xx.
- JCH NP19
- JCH NP17
- A vast number of Jesper Olsen's players (Vibrants fellow)
- Some of Johannes Bjerregårds players

I bet you only tried those players that actually have an editor for them, right?


offtopic:

I and the HVSC use to write Bjerregaard instead of your version with the ring above a, which one's the right one?
2006-07-12 11:52
SIDWAVE
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Bjerregaard, like Johannes spells it himself.
2006-07-12 13:14
Bamu®
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Quote: Grabowski's player (sosperec) IMO wasn't oldschool... ;-) DOS and Cane had quite modern sound.

Excactly! They composed some of the best tunes. Forever!
Sosperec editor offers quite a cool hard-restart.
2006-07-12 13:42
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468
I strongly disliked DMC 5's HR. I had to work too hard on ADSR otherwise some bad things happened and somethings you could get a frame or 2 of no sound on a channel which can stand out a bit.

I never bothered too much with HR but then again I'm a very simple novice :) I'm waiting for a follow up thread in a few months where nata wasn't to disable HR.
2006-07-12 15:08
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160
To be honest, there's a surprising amount of very hifi/modern sounding C64 music (in addition to Follin) that doesn't use HR at all, but usually gateoff for at least 2-3 frames.
2006-07-12 15:16
Bamu®
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Quote: To be honest, there's a surprising amount of very hifi/modern sounding C64 music (in addition to Follin) that doesn't use HR at all, but usually gateoff for at least 2-3 frames.

Good examples?
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