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2007-06-30 19:20

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1089

blue wins, moderators must improve, baracuda out

I understand that the fresh moderation team needs to find its way around how to properly moderate here, so mistakes are made and that's fine.

However, I'm getting a bit tired of the trigger happy thread-closers, especially when the first bans *must* be discussed properly to find out if the correct course of action was taken or not and if the majority agrees with the action taken.

It's starting to look like moderator X gets tired of explaining things, so he closes a thread where a certain ban *should* be explained. Nothing in the now closed thread was out of line and an honest request for more info, and after *finally* giving full info you close it immediately. I think that's completely wrong.

If you guys keep this up, more ppl will leave.

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2007-07-01 22:16

Tim
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467

@Dazing
Hello old friend ;) very nice to see your post.
Damnit.. I actually agree with you on the l33t or maybe better said being a success factor remark.
And ps, it was supposed to be our little secret that I never got laid :D

@Jailbird
Thanks for getting my point, I really appreciate it! And hey, of course we arent all that bad and luckily a lot of people indeed did find their way here. Were both happy there I think ;)

@Nightlord
1. Hmm, ok.. I had not looked at the ignore issue from that point of view (probably because I have not ignored anyone so far except for hitting the button by mistake once or twice) so I gave it some half hour to sink in. I surprisingly have no fitting answer here, where as to me it is not a problem to ignore someones posts, I do understand yours a bit better now.. so, thanks!

2. Hmm, yes again a very good point. All though CSDb Discussions seems to fit debating, it is not uncommon for forums (as well as many bbs in the past) to move all topics that endup in quarrels and debates to a central point to lighten up tension on the other areas of the forum.

Open question to the mods:
Is such a rule in place yet and or are you guys able to move posts to another thread?
If not, I suggest it, as it would be a very good way of making everyone happy except people who intentionally mess up or troll if you will.

Also I would find it a very reasonable ruling to kick someone out of CSDB who has been requested various times to keep arguments in the discussion zone, maybe an improvement we can all agree on? It ensures a more or less separate area for free speech/opinion and removes most trolling from the other parts of the forum, gives the mods a fair reason to act as guardians and best of all, makes it a more fair system.

2.5 well personally and outside of this discussion we think quite alike, but maybe if needed thats better talked over in a PM.

@CreaMD
I realize its getting tiresome, and so I do appreciate the time you took to explain things here and to me personal to talk things over. You now why its important to me and/or why I think it is also important for CSDB to have this well covered and for that I salute your efforts.

Please see my reaction to Nightlord and have a look at my open question; might be a very fit way of solving future problems?

2007-07-01 22:17

Tim
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467

@steppe
darn just missed your post whilst typing.
indeed troublesome and point well taken!

2007-07-01 23:31

CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053

Quote: @Dazing
Hello old friend ;) very nice to see your post.
Damnit.. I actually agree with you on the l33t or maybe better said being a success factor remark.
And ps, it was supposed to be our little secret that I never got laid :D

@Jailbird
Thanks for getting my point, I really appreciate it! And hey, of course we arent all that bad and luckily a lot of people indeed did find their way here. Were both happy there I think ;)

@Nightlord
1. Hmm, ok.. I had not looked at the ignore issue from that point of view (probably because I have not ignored anyone so far except for hitting the button by mistake once or twice) so I gave it some half hour to sink in. I surprisingly have no fitting answer here, where as to me it is not a problem to ignore someones posts, I do understand yours a bit better now.. so, thanks!

2. Hmm, yes again a very good point. All though CSDb Discussions seems to fit debating, it is not uncommon for forums (as well as many bbs in the past) to move all topics that endup in quarrels and debates to a central point to lighten up tension on the other areas of the forum.

Open question to the mods:
Is such a rule in place yet and or are you guys able to move posts to another thread?
If not, I suggest it, as it would be a very good way of making everyone happy except people who intentionally mess up or troll if you will.

Also I would find it a very reasonable ruling to kick someone out of CSDB who has been requested various times to keep arguments in the discussion zone, maybe an improvement we can all agree on? It ensures a more or less separate area for free speech/opinion and removes most trolling from the other parts of the forum, gives the mods a fair reason to act as guardians and best of all, makes it a more fair system.

2.5 well personally and outside of this discussion we think quite alike, but maybe if needed thats better talked over in a PM.

@CreaMD
I realize its getting tiresome, and so I do appreciate the time you took to explain things here and to me personal to talk things over. You now why its important to me and/or why I think it is also important for CSDB to have this well covered and for that I salute your efforts.

Please see my reaction to Nightlord and have a look at my open question; might be a very fit way of solving future problems?

- there is no possibility to move posts to other thread

- I don't think that will help unless the "trash" or "off-topic" thread is excluded from latest forum posts announcer. And still I don't think it will change the situation because when someone "intentionally mess up or troll" even after warning, we won't keep ridiculing ourselves by moving all of his posts somewhere else just because there is such place.

- Moving of posts is used for cases of unintentional off-topic posting. It's useless in case of intentional trashing. Moderator's job here isn't just organising of forum, but also prevention. In case there is too much trash produced by someone, the best prevention is to ban the person. However harsh it sounds.

- Also I don't think it's possible to have separate areas of forum. It just doesn't work like that here. And most of all. We shouldn't interchange "free speech" for "freely speaking". Moderators don't censor ideas, but unwanted behaviour.

In reality you cannot accuse organisers of supressing of your right for free speech just because they didn't allow you to read your 30 minute speech and greet all your 1345 contacts upon receiving first prize in the gfx compo.

So exactly as you say. People are requested to keep behaving some way or keep their arguments in some place. So for example release comments or oneliners aren't best place for arguments and forum isn't best place to solve personal animosities that can be (should be) solved privately.

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As far as CSDB organisation is concerned. I think that rules should be rewritten once more with concentration on the main purpose of this site which is database of sceners, groups, events and releases. The database integrity, completeness and correctness of information entered here is above all clashes and personal concerns. Forums, oneliners, voting, charts are just helpers to achieve this purpose/goal.

2007-07-01 23:36

The Communist

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 485

The only area trolling posts should go into is a trashcan and then I would feel like Oscar the grouch if my job would be transfering those posts into it.

The Forum should be a place for free discussions, exchange of knowledge and information but not for e.g. wisenheimer rubbish which bores some users to death and makes misgiving others.

For sure everyone can have his own opinion but some of those opinions should be better kept secret as they could show the owner in a way he doesn't want to get seen.

2007-07-02 08:04

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

I'm happy with the moderator work, and I honestly think even this topic/similar topics should be closed. I'd like to see more topics about c64 stuff instead all of these voting and moderating whinings.

2007-07-02 23:39

Tim
Account closed

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467

@Creamd
..Moderator's job here isn't just organising of forum, but also prevention..

Bare with me please one more post, I actually think we might agree here.

One place (CSDb Discussions maybe?) free for debate leaves room to point to other then that modding should becoming easier, simply warn a person once, twice, threetimes.. still not taking your debate to the right place, a weeks ban.. come back try again -> bam.. banned for life.
If that had been in place you would (and will in the future) have been able to kick deliberate announces even far sooner, right?

Its just an idea that I think would clean up a lot. I am sorry I didnt understand the general opinion sooner about trolling. Actually it was Nightlords post made me realize that the Ignore button is indeed totally useless! I do not need it, but I now understand why all the complaints at least better then before, so this is a very important change to my opinion actually!

Well, all I can say is that the system of separate discussion area really does work. You just need to look at our bbs history. Not only mods but also annoyed regular members will point people in that direction if (!) there is such a place to point to. Then come to think of it, no need to move anything there..

1. Clearly appoint a 'free' debate area
2. Write it into the rules
3. Warning 1, Warning 2, Warning 3
4. Kick or Kick-ban

Seems simple, much easier and yet fair to me, how about you?

@Oswald
Nearly done dude, sorry for annoying you, but please take into consideration that I too want a cleaner database otherwise I wouldnt take the time to offer ideas as well as complaints.

2007-07-03 03:15

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

B, ok :)

2007-07-20 09:37

maestro

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727

whats been happening while ive been away???

let me know

2007-07-20 14:48

Matt

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 598

bush invaded iraq
the pope died
nothing major really

oh wait a minute, u haven't been away that long ;)

2007-07-20 14:59

maestro

Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727

huh i thought id been in a very deep sleep there with bush raiding irag i was like wtf!!! ha ha