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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Credits in user comments
Lately I've been noticing a lot of people entering credits in the user comments, or members in the trivia section of a group. Why not just enter this data the way it's meant to I wonder?
Example: http://noname.c64.org/csdb/release/?id=28712&show=review |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Iopop: yep. let them work it out. :)
The most important thing of this thread however is the missing "intro coder", "intro graphician", "intro musician" which we could use for cracks. So many intros are unsung.
Hence my solution of adding intros etc. as a seperate 'product' (not so much a release) and attaching the credits to that.
Same for a game. Wouldn't it be great if you could find all other cracks of a game with just 2 clicks? |
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iopop
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 317 |
in conclusion the way of storing cracks into this db is not optimal. One of the reasons why I never bothered to enter any Triad cracks, new or old.
We will look into this and fix it in CSDb v2.
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
Quote: And somthing that I really miss is an option to add translated by. As if someone takes the time to translate a game from one language to english, they really should be credited for that.
Agreed, in the meantime I've used "Text" + explanation in the notes.
Another credit I'd like to see is "Sampling" or "Samples" since the only way to credit something like this at the moment is with "Music" which feels wrong. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Yup. Even more work is repainting graphics from one language to another.
__Will the CSDB admin even check my PMs or this thread?__
Both Iopop & me are involved in csdb v2, where I personally will focus on a new entity relationship model so .. patience ;) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098 |
dont tell me you're gonna do it in java ffs ;) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: dont tell me you're gonna do it in java ffs ;)
Well, I normally don't use java or sth when designing the data-model so .. no ;) |
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jcompton
Registered: Feb 2006
Posts: 70 |
I think there's definitely a point of diminishing returns to various different sorting categories, and we're probably already there.
In re sorting post-1991 "cracks": It's fairly obvious to all and sundry that the "CP Verlag" copyright, or just about anything with a post-1991 date generally, is not exactly a sign of having overcome V-Max v12.0 ULTRAMEGA-ANTINIBBLER. Whether it was silly or not, the "crack" groups treated them as they would any other software release, and it seems unlikely that many visitors to this site will truly have a difficult time distinguishing between their efforts and the guys removing protection schemes in previous years.
Coder vs. intro coder vs. musician vs. sampler vs...: Again, enough! Coders are coders. If more explanation is required to discuss the division of labor ("Horst did the plotter but that was originally for the Romanian Bloodsausage Party Co-op. Schmenge is responsible for all sinus data!"), there's a comments area.
Music is, ultimately, music, and any confusion there may be between Jeroen Tel and Wasp of Death (both of whom employed sampling to make C64 music) can be pretty easily sorted out by a quick gloss over their respective bodies of work. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
To sample a couple of seconds of a commercial song & use it in a demo is not composing & should not be credited with "Music" imo. Yet it needs to be credited in some way. Maybe we could use an "Other"-option & a possibility to make an own label, f.ex.
Credits :
Code .... Main Coder of Groupies
Other (Samples) .... That Guy of Another Group |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Quote: "C64 crack group release" is the most stupid thing I heard in ages. Why not call it what we have been called it for the past 20 years - cracks or in csdb lingo "c64 crack".
its quite interesting that people are screaming about "cracking" non-protected games when it has been in fashion since the later part of the 80ies..
That's true, I didnt consider that.......
Since a fair proportion of 'cracks' included no protection removal, then the best option is probably to continue to call them 'cracks'.
Its true, if you change the terminology now, youd have to retroactively fix every release which is impossible. |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
You people seem obsessed with this Crack vs. Game vs. Game Preview problem and urge the admins to add a new cathegory, meanwhile there are lots of Onefilers added as simply "C64 Demo" even though there's a special cathegory to use. To me the way the demos are added is just as important as any other release. |
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