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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219 |
What's downvoting...
Quoting Shine
"LOVE TO THE NEGATIVE DOWNVOTERS..."
Means what exactly?
Just curious, what is a downvote in your opinion, Knight Rider?
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Feel free to lead (yet another) philosophical debate on the definition of downvoting here, but pretty please not in entry comments ffs
and behave...
*opens his umbrella for weather forecast tells me to expect shitstorm and heavy vote whining tears rains*
An example from some drama last summer: Voting a 2 on something with zero downloads (which means someone votes it lower than 10 without even downloading the file), now THAT's definetely downvoting in my book
PS: @the current release overly hard 5s are outweiged by overenthusiastic 10s pretty well currently imho |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1089 |
Quote: Lets say that the votes are public, and I vote 1 for your product. Will you:
a) accept that it is my opinion?
b) challenge the vote in the forums?
c) think that I am a dick?
d) whine about not getting unconditional love from everyone?
e) think that it is a hostile action toward your person?
f) think that it is not a fair exchange, since you gave my product a 10 in the past?
C of course :) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
The normal reaction here seems to be everything but a). and if the the vote is anonymous we mods are often asked to spend time investigating it and make something about it. |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
This is exactly what's to be expected from something anonymous on the internet, why this one feature is responsible for so much of the drama.
Like I said before - nuisance insects hate light - turn off anon and they'll scatter. |
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Wile Coyote
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Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 646 |
Since anonymous voting is allowed, and unlikely to be fixed anytime soon, why not allow for anonymous comments to be allowed also?
This would suit those that want to be 100% anonymous. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447 |
Anonymity is under attack because:
a) someone anonymous repeatedly expresses opinions against a government/business/ideology/demo group etc..
b) someone anonymous said/did/voted something that offends x.
And therefore:
c) "they" think, that "they" are entitled to know the participants and listen in because of x and health, safety and security.
d) "We" should know the culprits to be able to extort/threaten/bribe/re-educate them so that they agree with our facts! |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
If we're going to suggest that non-anonymity is oppression, let's allow non-registered users to vote and comment. Tell me why you'd object to that idea - and you'll be explaining the exact reasons why IMO anon voting is counter-productive. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
The core problem is that that there is both. Either have all votes public, and live with the fact that many wont give honest votes on stuff they dont like, or make all votes anonymous and live with the fact some will use that to "upvote" or "downvote" (whatever that ist). Having both however is a silly idea that should have never happened. |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 447 |
@Six, consider my comments as a Socratic method of probing what lies underneath the views against and for anonymity, and or voting or reacting to votes in generally. Perhaps this discussion organizes some neurons or not. And Burglar is right, should have made that choice the default. :) |
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Six
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 293 |
Aye, I got that, and FWIW I totally agree with that illustration in the context of larger civil societies where someone's life or liberty may be at stake. I was really just hoping there to illustrate the issue with inversion - If one thinks about what the entire site would be like if it were anon, it's easier to see the issue with anon voting.
Well, all that and I also would delight in seeing everyone turn on the fake friends who have been down-voting them - ESPECIALLY the worst offender if my tracking is accurate. |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 117 |
What was new to me as a CSDb newcomer a few years ago was that non-10 votes were often perceived as spiteful, and (pretty much like Adam) I remember being contacted by people shouting "How dare you?" etc. for 8-9s.
Anonymous voting provides a partial solution to this somewhat CSDb-specific "10-or-hate" mannerism (no pressure for all 10s anymore, right?), but at the same time it allows people to strategically manipulate/overcompensate votes without being recognized, which became a completely separate (yet valid!) issue.
I don't really agree with some points made by Burglar. I think it'd be difficult to justify 1-point vote without being intellectually dishonest in regards to production that presents respectable amount of skill solely because it didn't meet our personal taste.
Even though I strongly advocated for "all votes go public" solution in the past, I can also imagine the amount of community-specific drama as a result. Whether to call it entitlement or not is up to you. |
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