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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 267 |
Event id #3011 : Transmission 64
Three months to Transmission 64. Are YOU working on your demo, music and graphics already?
We will host a
* demo competition
* 4k competition
* music competition
* graphic competition
* PETSCII competition |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 267 |
Quote: Really looking forward to this! I am sure it will be awesome and I have a gut feeling there will be lots of good releases.
Can we PLEASE have a proper look at the image quality for this stream? Having Revision fresh in my mind...
No 400% oversaturated colours and crisp and clear pixels with correct aspect ratio.
Thanks! :)
/Sarge
Thank you for your support and you're question. We've been following the discussion about the graphics online and want to run some testing in the weeks leading up to the party. We'll share some more information about that here. Thank you to those also who reached out directly to us.
Is there any party, video recording that you think produces the best result as guidance? I know some of the video publishers spend hours on heave post-processing and editing to make their recordings look perfect. Due to the limited time available, that won't be an option for us, but we'll try to do our best. Thank you to all of those who record the high-quality videos and have provided me with information on their technology used.
Unfortunately, the c64 (c64s really, there are many different versions with different video outputs) deliver quite a varied signal that is far from "clear and crisp" and contains bleed etc. On top of there are the limits of the streaming platforms and the viewer's hardware adds another factor out of our control.
We'll update you on the testing soon™, of course, we're striving to deliver the best quality possible. Thank you for your understanding. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 49 |
This sounds great. Actually I think you have one person in your team that have a picture that looks rather good. The Mibri show is pretty close with the colours to what we are used to see. It bleeds a bit but it just makes it look like a CRT so that is OK.
If my memory doesn't fail me...
Honcho. :D I dont know about that. I'm having a go in the GFX compo. |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478 |
Quoting The SargeThis sounds great. Actually I think you have one person in your team that have a picture that looks rather good. The Mibri show is pretty close with the colours to what we are used to see. It bleeds a bit but it just makes it look like a CRT so that is OK.[...] I have to second this! Mibri's setup gives colours that look like true c64 colours and not like the Revision-stream-distorted ones (plus it handles interlace very nicely in most cases;)).
Is it correct that they used an U64 for the c64 stuff at Revision?? @Transmission64-team: if so, please avoid using it or at least check the configuration features to tune the colours right... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2982 |
Quoting Copyfaultnot like the Revision-stream-distorted ones Haha, yeah, and they even ranted about the C-64's palette. 16 shades of brown master race! |
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Frantic
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1648 |
Quote:Mibri's setup gives colours that look like true c64 colours
What equipment is involved in Mibri's setup? |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 267 |
Thank you all for tasking Mibri with doing more of the compo recording <3 We'll still be doing some tests, but this is important feedback.
For those who want to jog their memory, Mibri has some recordings of previous streams here:
https://www.twitch.tv/mibric64/videos
And Case also has some recordings of the streams here:
https://www.youtube.com/user/c45e64/videos
I'll let him answer the questions regarding the equipment, but one thing I'm pretty sure about is that he doesn't have a Lumafix. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 49 |
Chris Wicked recorded twitch stream on Case Youtube page is way too oversaturated, while Mibris looks good.
I have had several pictures shown on Mibris and all looks as they look here when I created them.
I use a Ultimate 64 connected via an analogue signal to my CRT and regulary check stuff I do on that one. From what I have read (I haven't tested it myself) is that the HDMI output from the Ultimate 64 makes the colours differ from the analogue output. The analogue output is stellar with the latests firmware (1.37), its only the brown that is a bit off and seems slightly more redish but its bareable.
So I suggest using analogue output if you plan on using the Ultimate64. |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 478 |
Quoting KrillQuoting Copyfaultnot like the Revision-stream-distorted ones Haha, yeah, and they even ranted about the C-64's palette. 16 shades of brown master race! Yes, indeed! The compo-block moderators behaved somewhat arrogant when it came to C64 graphics, or was it just me being too thin-skinned? Plus I completely disagree with the comments (better: ranting) on the C64's colour palette being "not the best" up to "16 shades of brown" - considering how PAL works and given its mixing possibilites, it is close to the best partitioning one could come up with. Like I wrote already somewhere: this was system-bashing in a multi-platform compo! Disappointing!
Sorry for the offtopic-ness, had to get rid of it! |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 267 |
Fascinating feedback here. At least for demos, I have to be honest, I'm not that fond of seeing them in Mibri's stream due to skipped frames and jitter that gets added on occasion. Scrollers should look smooth where possible. We'll do our best, but I have a feeling we won't make everyone happy. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1105 |
I wholeheartedly disagree with what some said about stream quality: solid 50fps is far more important than color accuracy (and since when do ppl agree on which palette is right;).
Unless there's only a gfx compo, I would choose proper framerate over palette every time. 30fps is not cutting it :) |
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