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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Release id #237162 : Tribute to Vangelis
@4gent,
1) feels you took those quotes out of context
2) I even said to 2 girls on the schoolyard when I was 9 that I'm never gonna have sex because its disgusting
3) Talent added so much of his own, that I consider it an original work, Vermeer traced outlines with pinhole camera, Talent used another work for reference I couldnt care less. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
@electric, I have already asked you yesterday to create a similar Vangelis portrait, if its just copy paste into PS why didnt you do it ?
Truth is you can not come close to what Talent did, even if you can use all the tools and cheating in the world, because its pure hand craft and decades of learning, and his own style he worked out for years.
And as was shown you have also used references, and didnt create images out of "nothing", so you are talking out of your ass. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: @Oswald : Please read my post about orange pixels in Vangelis' beard. Then just please answer me this: Do you think those pixels were placed there manually? If so, why would they be placed there manually?
instead of trying to make me to say what you want to tell me, how about just telling me ? |
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rexbeng
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 37 |
@Oswald & @Peacemaker; thanks I'll have a look. I'm sure you all know what you are talking about. My question was literal; I have no idea about convertors else from those basic ones incorporated in Photoshop and a couple ones on the CPC. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quote: @Oswald : Please read my post about orange pixels in Vangelis' beard. Then just please answer me this: Do you think those pixels were placed there manually? If so, why would they be placed there manually?
funny, now every pixel artist has to explain why he / she selected this and that color in their gfx or part of their gfx. i have no idea what your goal is on this, but as oswald says, explain it to us :D |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Oswald :
I don't want you to say what I wish you to say. I was really asking you. I thought perhaps you have some theory (or inside information even) about why those pixels would be placed there manually.
Anyway, I don't understand why some of you guys insist on crapping on Electric as if that's some sort of argument in Talent's favor. It comes off as needlessly unrespectful. And it's doing Talent a big fat disservice IMHO. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Peacemaker
Why do I get the feeling you're playing dumb?
Just go to the preview pic of the demo, the little pic on CSDb. Now when GIF plays this portrait observe how you can see a chunk of Vangelis' hand (orange pixels). That hand is not there, but it's in the original. I asked Oswald about his opinion on why would Talent put that chunk of hand that shouldn't be there manually? |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quote: @Peacemaker
Why do I get the feeling you're playing dumb?
Just go to the preview pic of the demo, the little pic on CSDb. Now when GIF plays this portrait observe how you can see a chunk of Vangelis' hand (orange pixels). That hand is not there, but it's in the original. I asked Oswald about his opinion on why would Talent put that chunk of hand that shouldn't be there manually?
because, you dont seem to know it, on c64 we only have 16 colors and for color shading there is not much choices.
why is there even light green and light blue? :O lol. go ahead mate, you are on something there. haha |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: @Oswald :
I don't want you to say what I wish you to say. I was really asking you. I thought perhaps you have some theory (or inside information even) about why those pixels would be placed there manually.
Anyway, I don't understand why some of you guys insist on crapping on Electric as if that's some sort of argument in Talent's favor. It comes off as needlessly unrespectful. And it's doing Talent a big fat disservice IMHO.
I still believe you already know what you want with your orange pixels, so simply tell us instead of playing this game. Why dont you ask Electric about why this or that PETSCII character was placed manually on his Coltraine picture?
Why dont Electric comes off as needlessly unrespectful with his crapping on Talent? He played his game for days here asking for workstages when he already found the image it is based on. |
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Aomeba
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 22 |
I would say there is a blurry line between straight-out conversions (no matter how technically perfect they are) and images that bring artistically something new to the table, even if they use images sourced elsewhere. I've at least tried to do something of the latter.
I compare art (pixel art) in this case to music. You can compose something completely new. Or you can sample something old and come up with totally new and unique stuff that sheds new light on the originals, while standing on its own foot.
But as said it's a blurry line, as is the use of conversion (which I have used myself). Yes the origins should be mentioned. I have not. And so doesn't a lot of sampled music say where the samples come from.
Petscii's so hardcore that I don't see a problem using image references. To my knowledge there's no tool that outputs perfect petscii from images.
Please don't make one either. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 49 |
I would love to have Talent drop in and add to this discussion. I think he is here... If I remember correctly I saw him comment on the Vangelis release before. I'm old as hell now and brain does not work as it used to. :)
Instead of people taking sides and defending this or that it would be much appreciated to get the words from the horse's mouth so to say.
Carrion did this wonderful presentation at X23 showing how he works. I would love to see more of those. We can all learn from that. Of course one doesn't have to do it if one does not want to. But just to calm this heated discussion a bit I think for this case it would be beneficial. Personally I would love to see it. Even though I'm old as hell, I still want to learn new things.
What do you say @talent, up for showing it from start to finish? |
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