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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Release id #247799 : Bowhunter
"I can honestly say that all these pixels has been carefully selected" - Why say this when it obviously looks like it's not the case? |
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Marq
Registered: Sep 2011
Posts: 50 |
Our old No Copy? gallery is still online in case you enjoy this kind of busting: http://kameli.net/nocopy/ |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4732 |
Quote: Our old No Copy? gallery is still online in case you enjoy this kind of busting: http://kameli.net/nocopy/
Last update: Apr 7 2002.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3057 |
Quote: I guess you can find 1:1 copies from almost everyone. Especially the older stuff. 2018 this was not talked about much. Its just recently this has come to attention and it should!
I have made so many pictures and I honestly forgot about this one. But now I remember. Thanks for reminding me. I remember this being a 1:1 hand pixeled thing and its not a wire, but it's still a copy, so my bad.
This was probably the second image I made since my comeback, I didn't really know or understood the rules back then. This would never happen today and will never do in the future.
Im sorry. Hedning remove this from the Gubbdata 2018 results. I feel really bad now. :(
Actually, this is the way of handling of the blame, that I expect from any creator. We are around our 50'ties. We should be able to react as decent adults. Trying to talk out of the responsibility and blaming others for bringing up our sins is ridiculous.
Admit the guilt. Take the shame with dignity and move on. I don't think that's too much to expect. :) |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369 |
All this "cheating" and converting with or without AI shows me personally only one thing:
The people who do this no longer pixeling for fun, which is very sad.
The reasons for this may be obvious. Especially in a competition, this is really bitter.
IMO using references is totally ok, if you put more effort into it compared to "Carefully Selected Pixels"!
My 3,14 cent. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Strangely enough, if it comes to music compos, covers are hardly ever sent in. Unless it's explicitly allowed or required in the compo rules, as for example with the current Yogi's & Flex' Melodic 2SID Compo 2024 or earlier events such as Game Music Remix Compo 2023.
An [insert theme here] image conversion compo would be good for some, maybe. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote: Strangely enough, if it comes to music compos, covers are hardly ever sent in.
My guess is it’s the “entrance fee”. Plagiarizing a song or making a cover SID is not so trivial. Converting a pic found on the internet and “carefully selecting pixels” is. Very trivial. Perhaps this will change when the LLM AI monster learns SID composing… |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
Quoting 4gentEQuote: Strangely enough, if it comes to music compos, covers are hardly ever sent in.
My guess is it’s the “entrance fee”. Plagiarizing a song or making a cover SID is not so trivial. Converting a pic found on the internet and “carefully selecting pixels” is. Very trivial. Perhaps this will change when the LLM AI monster learns SID composing…
Interesting idea. From experience, I find making a cover to be easier than doing an original composition. But who knows, maybe some people are already using AI to do the composition and then carefully tweak it in a SID editor. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
Making copies is good way to learn. There is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing wrong in making copies to relax. But if the rules are no copies, then copies should not be allowed.
I have nothing against wiring, conversions, AI nor animations in demos. All of them could have their place in the scene, but it should be known what is what and be judged according to that. All the art is some form of a remix, every artist is using some references.
The problem is if we prohibit some kinds of art, people will still do it, and pretend it's something else. If there were open categories for AI, wires, copies, people could post them in those categories freely. But the more we try to fight it, and preach the only "true way", the more cheats we will face.
I for example do a couple of vires a day, some are fucking amazing, and it's hard to believe those are only multicolor not augmented with sprites or fli. I do not post them here, because of the hate i do not want to face. I will make a slideshow someday showcasing the best of them, but will never claim I painted them myself. Interestingly, the more I convert the more I feel urge to pixel myself.
Also people hate AI, and everything that was made with it. Sure, you can get decent results out of a box, but when you want to art direct it, and achieve exact results it is not that easy, and requires a lot of skill and knowledge. Sure it is different skill that handpixeling, but it is still some skill, that does not deserve pure hate. But to know that one needs to leave their fears and try to do something themselves, then they will be able to appreciate it. Otherwise it is just pure hate. And hate is rarely leading to something good.
Still, traditional artists are unbeaten, and converts have no match. But it is only true for the very best. It was always like that - either you are the best, or you are nobody. True art is worth a lot, mediocre one is dime a dozen.
People will still make mistakes. Let's make a space where they can make those mistakes, but also to learn and grow, to admit those, and evolve to be better artists, better humans instead on lynching them without a grain of regret.
We need less hate and more caring and understanding, love, friendship and honesty. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:My guess is it’s the “entrance fee”. Plagiarizing a song or making a cover SID is not so trivial.
Its no less hard or trivial than making converted GFX. Been there done that. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4732 |
Also see Dragoneye. |
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