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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271 |
Downloads and votes and the public
We in offence got this mail, and also several others like it in meaning... I think this is something we could have a talk about as it is something that is a bit important. It really is, because there are so many people out there actually liking the things we do create. CSDB is a hangaround place where we get away from the rest of the world maybe but could we do something with this in future?
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Hey,
can you forward this to Ole Marius?
He said that "hundreds of people download tunes to check them out, but only 20 or so care to vote" about the Highscore Ballad Compo. Well ... I know why! You can't get an account at CSDb unless you can call yourself active in the scene, so lots and lots and lots of people out there will never have an account (= can't vote) because they don't know how to code / to make a SID / whatever. And since I don't have an account either, I can't tell him that ... :)
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Just something I think is important to talk about.... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
PAL: Very interesting point! The demos with crowd sounds in background are similar to laughs in sitcoms, it transfers the positive emotion from audience onto watcher.. a marketing idea worth exploiting actually ;-))
Kristian Røstøen: that's the way how the votingh should be done. Releasing of entries on fly, voting phase anonymous and not revealed until the voting phase comes to the end. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
Quote:Allowing guest accounts (for non-editor) is one of them. Ditching of anonymous voting another (hi Dane ;-)
if you are planning to remove me and have me put all effort into removing all my work i have put into the db, then yes. and i am not kidding there =P
i still dont get the problem though. as much as csdb isnt a releases site, its not made for organizing compos. and i dont even want to imagine what happens if such infrastructure would be there - it seems about as useless and annoying as "polls" on lemon. (that also brings us to the question: why wasnt that compo organized on lemon afterall? then you get public voting and anonymous votes. would it be too easy?)
i think i understand now why se7en disagreed with adding file storage to the db - over 15 years ago he predicted that the result will be that people will see csdb as the one central storage, and stop bothering to maintain their own websites. seems he was right afterall :(
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
Quoting Groepazi think i understand now why se7en disagreed with adding file storage to the db - over 15 years ago he predicted that the result will be that people will see csdb as the one central storage, and stop bothering to maintain their own websites. seems he was right afterall :(
Sure, but that's not a problem, is it? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
imho it is. infact its one of the core problems. people are getting more and more lazy, and they demand everything to be served on a golden plate at a central place.
eventually the central place disappears and everyone except those who didnt fall for the lazyness will disappear with it.
people should understand that csdb is not the scene. the scene is what happens outside of csdb. and if there is no more scene hapenning outside of csdb, you can safely assume that the scene is finally dead and buried. posts like g-fellows make me shudder for this matter. its not csdbs job to attract new blood to the scene. its the scenes job. ie: ITS YOUR FUCKING JOB YOU LAZY BASTARDS. |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440 |
Quote: ...Ohhh... and forgot... the ones they seem to enjoy the most all of my artist friends or clients and such... are the ones captured live with cam on screen with the audience sound... they did that! It is like a cool thing... just the noise in the room and the hard hitting demos and applouses and so on... I think that is really cool to show them... not like movies with machenes and sweety people likeus picking our noses and scratching our arses but the real tension feeds from the compos... LOVE IT!!!
I second that! I've shown people youtubes with screencapture and with crowdcapture. Crowdcapture works best! I mean: Listen to EoD live at X'08 <- a crowd starting to "sing" to the refrain of a music they hear for the very first time! Amazing, 4 years later still gives me the shiver I had actually at the partyplace.
And about the topic of "opening csdb for the masses": Please don't! There is a reason lotsa dudes and dudettes here are NOT active on lemon and stuff! For me, its cosy as it is :)
If you read in the forum as a guest visitor you can find codebase and tools and all, the hurdle is not that high. And if one is really interested in getting productive thats a jump one can take (resulting in a granted account ;) ). |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Quote: imho it is. infact its one of the core problems. people are getting more and more lazy, and they demand everything to be served on a golden plate at a central place.
eventually the central place disappears and everyone except those who didnt fall for the lazyness will disappear with it.
people should understand that csdb is not the scene. the scene is what happens outside of csdb. and if there is no more scene hapenning outside of csdb, you can safely assume that the scene is finally dead and buried. posts like g-fellows make me shudder for this matter. its not csdbs job to attract new blood to the scene. its the scenes job. ie: ITS YOUR FUCKING JOB YOU LAZY BASTARDS.
I sincerely respect you all folks. Hearing both sides, I completely agree with Groepaz and iAN. I've been through something like this in a pretty different scene ages ago and as far my experience goes, the more you add as a maintainer beyond a point - the less it's working. CSDb at the moment has already been at that point as I see. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
I agree with Groepaz and ian, too. There is a place for everything. CSDb is a great place because it's a C64 Scene Database, it's main function is to be just that. There are other places that work as forums for everyone. Lemon64 is out there f.ex. In Sweden we have got Folkvagnen, germans have Forum64 etc etc.
My main concern, and I do not want to sound elitistic here, is that letting "anyone" in to csdb is that the database will be FUBAR. People that have the understanding for how the scene works, how releases should be credited etc, adds stuff for CSDb, and I would be sad if all the hours I have spent finding and preserving stuff would be fucked up because some moron changes stuff or want to trash stuff. Yes, it can happen even now, and hs hapened, but with "anyone" in here, all our hours would go to save the stuff that is already here. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
same for the forum actually - there is a reason for why lots of sceners fleed from lemon +10 years ago. |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: I agree with Groepaz and ian, too. There is a place for everything. CSDb is a great place because it's a C64 Scene Database, it's main function is to be just that. There are other places that work as forums for everyone. Lemon64 is out there f.ex. In Sweden we have got Folkvagnen, germans have Forum64 etc etc.
My main concern, and I do not want to sound elitistic here, is that letting "anyone" in to csdb is that the database will be FUBAR. People that have the understanding for how the scene works, how releases should be credited etc, adds stuff for CSDb, and I would be sad if all the hours I have spent finding and preserving stuff would be fucked up because some moron changes stuff or want to trash stuff. Yes, it can happen even now, and hs hapened, but with "anyone" in here, all our hours would go to save the stuff that is already here.
Quote:My main concern, and I do not want to sound elitistic here, is that letting "anyone" in to csdb is that the database will be FUBAR.
+1
Still, while I can relate to Groepaz' point of view there is a flipside to the coin: Would the scene be as relatively healthy as it is now without CSDB being the central place? I doubt it.
Just have a look at how many old retired geezers (including me, although my roots are to be found in the 90s Amiga scene) gained interest back by discovering CSDB.
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
The C-64 scene is a pretty small scene. Why spread it all over the place? Yes to centralization. |
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