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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
How low one can get #2
Making money by stepping on the ppls back that made demos for free, for the scene ?
http://home.ngi.de/digitalmemories/buy.html
if you charge no more than DVD and postal costs I take my words back. Otherwise..... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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only because its freeware it doesnt mean it isnt copyrighted :) in many countries its actually impossible to completely give up your copyright (as in the american "public domain" distribution model). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: only because its freeware it doesnt mean it isnt copyrighted :) in many countries its actually impossible to completely give up your copyright (as in the american "public domain" distribution model).
Exactly. Although it's called "author's rights" here. Author can't give them up, but he can e.g. give/sell "distribution rights" etc. |
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Shortcircuit
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Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 12 |
Hmmm. I kinda think it's easier to pay 10,-, because when u live in Turkey like i do where high bandwith costs are skyhigh (well at least for us)and u have to compile the whole dvd. Well i like to do it but 4.7 gigs of c64 stuff? Guess could not find the time even if i leave my job and wife.So i rather pay that 10,- and stay mentaly healthy. And the copyright? Hell everything was released for free only the scene law, that you cannot ue code, music or gfx without crediting the creator can be taken in account. And like i said authoring a Dvd with c64 stuff is a bitch of a job, so don't the auther deserve a Euro or 2 for the work? |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
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@ShortCircuit: It´s not 4.7Gb of C64 stuff.
They probably recorded the demos while they were playing,so it´s more like a movie.
If they didn´t use a real C64,the quality might actually be not that good.. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Shortcircuit, the purpose behind releaseing demos for free, is not that someone else can make money out of them, mkay? You can find a few demos infact declaring this.
low on bandwidth? the actual demos are max 400kb, download and enjoy them on the real thing (or emu). for FREE, you dont have to pay a cent. |
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Shortcircuit
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Registered: Nov 2005
Posts: 12 |
@Tch Point taken.
I stand with what i wrote if the dvd is made of converted c64 files. Otherwise it's pretty lame. Why the hell would i want to watch them in *.Avi formt?(if they use divx)It's the cllection of the files that is important for me. |
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Shortcircuit
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Registered: Nov 2005
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@Oswald
I ment if i want to dowload c=64 stuff with the idear to catalog and burn them to a Dvd which means a hell of a lot of files to download, and the here the bandwith is bloody limited. I have a max 3 gigs.So tht would be a really shity job. I don't mean them to me a real profit, just earning for giving service. |
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Tch
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Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 512 |
I`m almost certain the DVD contains recorded demos.
There are 16 demos on the DVD.
Lets say every demo is 2 disk-sides (1 D64=171 KB).
That makes 5472Kb!!
Think twice before you pay! ;) |
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Optimus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Hmm,. I didn't knew about these collections. I once bought MindcandyDVD and didn't considered it like someone getting money from someone elses work. In fact that one was produced from some sceners, which was like a documentary to present the scene to the public. There were also special features inside, interviews with some old PC sceners, unfinished demos never seen before, quite cool features and an extra option to hear documentary while watching the demos, with either funny or interesting comments. It was from motivated sceners with the purpose of presenting the scene to a greater public. And it was all recorded, something to watch on your DVD-player ;)
About these DVDs here I don't know. I like teh covers, but if it's just the demos with no more features, if it's not like the documentary way it is in MindcandyDVD, then this sucks :P. Cause you could just download watch the demos in the emulator or the real thing and there is nothing else interesting to watch there.
Does anyone know more about the contents of those C64 DVDs?
p.s. I guess I'd better wait for the incoming Mindcandy DVDs which will present the Amiga and C64 scene.
p.p.s. And yes, permision is due. Mindcandy got the permission for the demos iirc and they even featured some interviews/discussions in the demo commentary, with some of the older scene farts they got in contact with! |
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Optimus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
And a small question:
What happens when you want to release a DVD with a collection full of demos, not 10 specific recorded demos but just about everything (thousands of demos)? Do you have to ask just about everyone for the permission? Or does the scene have to generally agree with you? E.g. the Hornet Archive CDs that featured all PC demos and other stuff from 1987 to 1995 (and second volume from 1996 to 1998). The guys who owned the Hornet Archive (www.hornet.org) are the same behind the MindCandyDVD. Since they had the collection of just about every demo they could get and an archive for sceners to download demos, they thought it would be nice to put them in a CD, so that people who didn't have internet access could get them all at once by buying the CD. This was usefull for the scene and also helped into making the scene more known to people who didn't have internet connection or weren't aware of it.
I don't know. Maybe if you want to present few demos in a DVD recorded, you have to take permission. But with big collections downloaded from an archive? Weren't there CDs with freeware public domain/shareware in the market once ago? I see these actions mostly as a way to spread your work, not purely as a motive to make money.. |
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