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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Oldskool vs Newskool
It seems that some people are stuck in a fantasy that every single tune coming on the C64, must:
1. have beats like Jeroen Tel
2. have melody like drax
3. have sounds like rob hubbard
4. be crazy inspiring like ben daglish
5. and that it has to have the smoothes baby ass 1988 bass filter
6. and so on...
so what is oldskool ?
1986 sounds ?
or 'playing it safe' ?
and what is newskool ?
be a copy of linus ?
It seems there are some persons who dont realize that HVSC has about every style of music on earth in it.
You can find old classical piano tunes, mostly people made them before hubbard religion came :D
then hubbard religion came, and everybody want to follow it, the most prominent child of hubby is jt.
although different style... its still a hubbyism...
then 20cc, what is this ? a jt religion..
rock/finnish gold....
We can mention so many.
There are founders of religion, and followers, those make up more than 80% of the composers.
And then there are the innovators, who take a risk, and do something completely new, and weird, or non standard.
Ed, Goto80, Mermaid... that sort of thing..
So, to the point, and ofcourse it is about my latest sid upload :D what else would it be about ? :D
Well, i can claim to call it newskool, because of the fact, it does not follow any of the religions i just mentioned.
You dear listener, should not expect every single tune, to be a melodic, progressive, manio depressive gut wrenching tune comparable to the depths of drax's mind.
You are in error.
There is more than just drax'ism :D
Specifically i would call my tune 'industrial techno', its the closest i can come to some kinda description. and as such, it is extremely well in its own class.
As a 'standard' C64 style tune, based on the religions mentioned, it is ofcourse completely off.
To the final point:
I appreciate your comments whatever they are, but when you f.ex write: there isnt much progression, or i would wish there was more melody, then dear listener, you have misunderstood it: industrial techno has no progressive melodic element :D
What is oldskool : when you follow the traditions
what is newskool : when you dont
That is all.
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting LinußThat guy you keep on sending worktunes to so he can provide you with tips on how to improve them. With very little achievement so far, it seems. |
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Pantaloon
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 124 |
and Danko, while you have free time sitting in the hotel room in London and writing on Csdb, start a new sid for the next demo :) |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
I have almost exactly the same approach as Jeff described - focus on sounds etc. :)
One exception - "making tunes that are not annoying" ;) My personal aim is to make music that I am satisfied with and fits my taste, sometimes at the price of the above mentioned ;) |
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Quote: Quoting LinußThat guy you keep on sending worktunes to so he can provide you with tips on how to improve them. With very little achievement so far, it seems.
Indeed.
What Wackee said. |
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
Quoting wackeeI have almost exactly the same approach as Jeff described - focus on sounds etc. :)
For me it was always the total oposite. I was never any good at making instruments. I would rather focus on melodies and try to make it sound somewhat decent despite the lousy instruments. |
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NecroPolo
Registered: Jun 2009
Posts: 231 |
Good points considering inspiration and initial drive of different attitudes. Folks, it is really interesting to read your lines about your attitudes and associate with your SIDs. It really makes a sense.
For me, it is separated. If the music is connected to a certain release/product, it is most important to be coherent, a unit of the other parts/aspects. If melodic fits - be so, if SID bloodshed fits - be so. That is true for all the band stuff, too. "Performance" type of thing.
If I do music just for myself, it will be something that reflects an actual mood so most likely it will be something that I'd wish to listen to at the moment. "Jamming" type of thing. |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 292 |
I think a good tune is based on a good melody... without any melody it is just sound is it not? I wonder what the beatles would have been without their wonderful melodys? Just another wall of sound probably... |
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 849 |
How about a new craze... write a tune that sounds like it's playing backwards! I don't think anyone's done THAT before. It can be done.... swap AD ans SR values around (with some care), reverse wave table data, and turn your monitor upside down when tracking. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
For me a good tune is a play on either rhythm and melody or just rhythm (some industrial stuff). I have a very hard time appreciating music without any rhythm or melody at all, like Merzbow. I also enjoy "brain music" with weird time signatures, atonal scales and the like - gives me something to chew on. |
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wacek
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 513 |
Quoting Kristian RostoenI would rather focus on melodies
Because you are so good in that! Since I am melodically much weaker, I strive to push sounds as far as I can go, using it together with simpler melodies to build weird atmospheres.
Quoting PALI think a good tune is based on a good melody... without any melody it is just sound is it not?
If by "any melody" you mean playing at least 2 different notes then most probably yes, you need "any melody" (but on the other hand, there is for example an incredible Plastikman track build almost exclusively on snare sounds, which means no melody :D)
Quoting Conradwrite a tune that sounds like it's playing backwards! I don't think anyone's done THAT before.
I do have one unfinished tune that has such sound :) |
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