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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Release id #247799 : Bowhunter
"I can honestly say that all these pixels has been carefully selected" - Why say this when it obviously looks like it's not the case? |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
Making copies is good way to learn. There is nothing wrong with it. There is nothing wrong in making copies to relax. But if the rules are no copies, then copies should not be allowed.
I have nothing against wiring, conversions, AI nor animations in demos. All of them could have their place in the scene, but it should be known what is what and be judged according to that. All the art is some form of a remix, every artist is using some references.
The problem is if we prohibit some kinds of art, people will still do it, and pretend it's something else. If there were open categories for AI, wires, copies, people could post them in those categories freely. But the more we try to fight it, and preach the only "true way", the more cheats we will face.
I for example do a couple of vires a day, some are fucking amazing, and it's hard to believe those are only multicolor not augmented with sprites or fli. I do not post them here, because of the hate i do not want to face. I will make a slideshow someday showcasing the best of them, but will never claim I painted them myself. Interestingly, the more I convert the more I feel urge to pixel myself.
Also people hate AI, and everything that was made with it. Sure, you can get decent results out of a box, but when you want to art direct it, and achieve exact results it is not that easy, and requires a lot of skill and knowledge. Sure it is different skill that handpixeling, but it is still some skill, that does not deserve pure hate. But to know that one needs to leave their fears and try to do something themselves, then they will be able to appreciate it. Otherwise it is just pure hate. And hate is rarely leading to something good.
Still, traditional artists are unbeaten, and converts have no match. But it is only true for the very best. It was always like that - either you are the best, or you are nobody. True art is worth a lot, mediocre one is dime a dozen.
People will still make mistakes. Let's make a space where they can make those mistakes, but also to learn and grow, to admit those, and evolve to be better artists, better humans instead on lynching them without a grain of regret.
We need less hate and more caring and understanding, love, friendship and honesty. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:My guess is it’s the “entrance fee”. Plagiarizing a song or making a cover SID is not so trivial.
Its no less hard or trivial than making converted GFX. Been there done that. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4732 |
Also see Dragoneye. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
Quote: Our old No Copy? gallery is still online in case you enjoy this kind of busting: http://kameli.net/nocopy/
Living proof that Boris Vallejo was the most influential scene artist :) |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369 |
"Interestingly, the more I convert the more I feel urge to pixel myself."
Do not forget this and simply start. You will see how long you gonna need for the basics. ;)
Watching and creating are different in many cases. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quote: @Peacemaker
Excuse me, but I don’t see how the span of my scene activity qualifies or disqualifies me from making casual observation of the obvious.
On the other hand, years of coding (or shouting profanities in conference calls) can’t bring you closer to understanding gfx or art, and it shows.
Again, you take time to stalk me, and try yourself at some kind of i dunno “dumb person’s doxxing attempt”. Last time, the conversation was somewhat heated, this time it was just a casual talk.
lol. you are just a bad joke too me :D |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Yet you sniff around my underwear, looking how long I’m active, etc. Poor thing. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369 |
\O/ ... "below the belt" ... somehow! |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:Its no less hard or trivial than making converted GFX. Been there done that.
I beg to differ. Sure, it’s trivial to you. But still you had to be able to read at least half page of text and have basic understanding of how things work. Even if we’re talking about converting MIDI to SID notes. Dragging a found jpeg in whatever resolution into a converter and pushing a button to save out a C64 executable is a whole different level of trivial I think. But that’s offtopic. Huh? Wait, what exactly is the topic? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Once you have the converter, it requires exactly the same effort. And the result will be exactly as shitty of course. |
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