| | CyberBrain
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Group id #913 : Success
There seems to be some different oppinions about the history of "success". I've been asked several times remove the comments and to clear it up, but since i don't really know anything about the history of success, i can't judge who are right.
So i've moved the comments from the success-record to this topic instead, in hope that those of you who know anything will participate in the discussion, so we can find the truth.
To sum it up: The Arrogance is maintainer of the success-record in CSDb. Raiden believes that what The Arrogance wrote at this record is wrong. The Arrogance doesn't think it's wrong.
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| | CyberBrain
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Submitted by The Arrogance on 17 August 2004
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>> 09/1989: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Success got built by the following members: Holger/Magic Circle/Dynamix. Tim, Fate,
>> Hero/Sharks. Xaver/Baboons. Three guys from Netmen. Brandis/Share. Destroyer/Bionix.
>> TMB/Pulsar and some ex-Savage-members
What happened really in 09/1989 (the truth):
Stet/Sharks (Ex-Shining 8), Tanner/Sharks, TJ/Sharks, Splash/Sharks (Holger and Jörg / Magic Circle renamed into Splash. MCL/Ex- Sharks, Ex-INXS, Ex-X-Ray), Thorsten (Ex- Reptil/Shining 8 and Sharks renamed into The Arrogance), Steel/Ex-Sharks, Rap (Ex-Shining 8 and Sharks), TMB/Pulsar, Tim/Baboons, Hero/Baboons, Treat/Baboons, Fate/Baboons, Xaver/Baboons, The Destroyer/Bionix, Exe/Netmen, Pyle/Netmen, Cosinus/Netmen, John Sinclair/Dynamix (Trisoft), Def/Share, Brandis/Share (Ex-Shining 8), Antares 13/Share, Warlock/Share, Stryker/Share, TCO/Sharks, Yup & Burp/Sharks and Jetblack/Sharks built up Success on the 2nd of September 1989 at the Baboons Party in Eddersheim/Frankfurt/Main. TCO, Yup & Burp, Jetblack and Xaver got kicked out of Success a few days later. Fate left Success and joined Vision without known reason.
All of the aboven named sceners have been at the party personally and can be easily considered as eye-witnesses of what has happened there. Aswell you might read the spread note-file from 09/1989 called "-Success Story!-", which was written by all the members of Success at the Baboons-Party! Any doubt does not really make sense, does it Raiden ?! You are so dumb.
>> 09/1989: Raiden's wrong and therefore unproven assumptions:
>> TJ joined Success. Tanner, Pyle, Roy and MCA joined Success. Reptil renamed into The
>> Arrogance and joined Success. TJ of Success got busted by police on 10/13/1989. TMB, Tim
>> and Brandis got kicked out of Success. Tim joined Royality, TMB joined Arcana.
What happened really in 09/1989 (the truth):
TJ, Tanner and Pyle did not join Success at all, because they were members of the group since the very first second anyway. Just read my last text-part explaining who built up Success and who didn't.
Roy and MCA did not join Success in 09/1989, but somewhen between the end of october and november 1989. For proofs you might just read Roy's Coococ #7 to #9 (uploaded to CSDb by me), written by Roy himself. In issue #8 (released on the 21.10.1989 by Roy/Dynamix and F4CG) everyone can easily see that Roy was still a member of Dynamix. Just try to find anything in the text that may let you come to the idea that Roy was part of Success at that time (of course, you won't find anything). Now to issue #9 of Coococ (released on the 18.11.1989 by Roy/Dynamix and F4CG).. Quote Roy/Dynamix (Coococ, issue #9, 18.11.1989): "Then you must know that i left Success and rejoined Dynamix. Also i will help OMG of Amok with his Sex'n'Crime in future. The best joined the best.. shit is the rest" and so on... read it for yourself.. issues from #7 to #9 were uploaded to CSDb.
By the way, issues #7 was just uploaded to let people decide for themselve, what Roy/Radar's so-called career is all about. Looks like he already forgot what he has written himself into those early issues of Coococ. Read for yourself and have a good laugh! ;o)
Some more facts: Neither Tim, nor Brandis were kicked out of Success. Tim just left Success a few month later to rebuild his old group Baboons, as he just wasn't satisfied with the low effort of the Success-members releasing some Demos and therefore more being a Cracking-group only, unlike planned in the beginning to participate into the cracking- and the demoscene! About Brandis.. i will just say this.. i don't know how many musics from Brandis, especially "Fade to grey", "The Model" and others we have used in our intros and other releases, as we really loved his music and none of us would have ever questioned his skills since he released his first tunes for Shining 8. Brandis just quit the scene because of losing interest into computing and definitly never was kicked out of Success. Everyone else saying that he was kicked out of Success does not know jackshit and is just a liar. Fuck you!!!
>> 11/1989:
>> Roy rejoined Dynamix and AMOK.
Fine with me.
>> 12/1989:
>> Tanner joined X-Ray, Holger/Magic Circle quited the scene and Treat left to join Crest
Fine with me. Don't ask me what is so special about this.. ask Raiden what he wants to tell you with this.
>> 01/1990: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Thorsten/Arrogance got kicked out of Success on 1/28/90 after he tried to beat up Macro Nit at >> the Dominators-Party in randers/denmark and was trying to cheat money for a wellfare-project, >> but was allowed to re-join a few days later.
What happened really in 12/1989 (the truth):
Completely bullshit, as Thorsten/Arrogance was already kicked out at the Dominators-Party in Randers (12/1989) for his bad behaviour and not, like Raiden wants to make you believe, 4 weeks later. He rejoined Success just a few days later after we had discussed the things that had happened and Thorsten finally had repented his fault. It never was a question if he could rejoin Success, because the whole group was based on friendship and it never was like kicking out someone you wouldn't care about, but just the question when he would accept that he had done something wrong and afterwards returning to the motherhood Success. And therefore it is more than ridiculous if someone prefers believing into lies made up by Raiden, who wasn't part of the group, instead of me, being there all the time as a member having huge influence when all those major decisions were made. But what should someone think of a lamer like Raiden, hiding behind a handle he had never used in the C64-scene ?! Yep, someone that was a benfit to the scene would not need to hide his lame ass...
>>02/1990: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Success and X-Ray went into Cooperation. The reason is friendship instead of potential.
The truth:
Well, judging about two groups having a cooperation based on friendship, but lacking potential, the coop has been in the top-10 of all major magazine's far too long... neither Success, nor X-Ray were lacking potential, otherwise all other people voting them into the charts must have been completely stupid, unlike our dear friend Raiden, who was the only one realizing the real truth. How could someone be as horrible stupid as Raiden is ?! May someone please slap Raiden's neck, as slapping the mentally weak ones neck is said to increase the functionality of their brain in a positive way?
Just take a look at the charts of all major magazines released at that time...
>> 03/1990: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> TJ joined Arrogance, Authentic Arts and Megablast left Success. Only Thorsten/Arrogance,
>> Thomas/Arrogance and Pyle are left in Success.
The truth:
Bullshit again, as TJ joined The Arrogance long before 03/1990 and already released many cracks that can be downloaded here at CSDb. The rest is fine with me.
>> 07/1990:
>> Success died for the first time, the Success and X-Ray Cooperation is over.
Raiden, i am quite sure that the audience is not enjoying your stories about things everybody knows already anyway. (Can be read in "The End / Success from 1989", downloadable here at CSDb)
>> 08/1990: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Thorsten/Arrogance, Thomas/Arrogance and Pyle joined Legend but Thorsten and Pyle both got >> kicked out a few days later after Powerplant heard about the fact, that Thorsten/Arrogance could >> not even crack Logo and ripped the Snack-Pack from Snacky/Genesis*Project.
>> Thomas/Arrogance left Legend on his own before he got kicked out.
The truth:
Doesn't it just sound strange that only Thorsten and Pyle should have been kicked out of Legend, but
Thomas/Arrogance was allowed to stay ?! Furthermore, why should Pyle have been kicked out, if it was Thorsten who failed on cracking Logo ?! Does this make any sense ?! No, of course, it doesn't. Whatever happened these days remains not known to the public. And definitly not known to our dumb Raiden. Furthermore, after Thorsten and Pyle weren't members of Legend anymore, Thomas left Legend as there wasn't any reason for him to stay in Legend after his friends weren't part of the group anymore. Thomas/Arrogance joined The Fleet of X-Ray, Pyle joined Crazy and Thorsten/Arrogance quit the scene.
>> 10/1990: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Thorsten/Arrogance quitted the scene.
The truth:
Bullshit, as Thorsten had already quit the scene directly after the story with Legend, being fed up with all the scene-crap.
>> 04/1991: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Thomas/Arrogance joined Trinity, left again a few days later. Then he joined Pandora and left
>> again after a few days. He asked Enigma to join but they refused. He finally joined Joy Division.
The truth:
Seems like some people are lacking simple and basic mathematic skills, just like Raiden,
who failed with his calculation, not taking care of the fact, that issue #6 of X-Ray's magazine Bild Zeitung was released in Juli 1991 by The Arrogance. Therefore he cannot have joined any of the groups upthere in April 1991. Do i have to go further ?! Don't think so... pathetic little Raiden.
By the way, i have never asked anyone in Enigma to join their group, this is a complete lie, but Raiden, if it would have been the way you said, it shouldn't be a problem to name the person i should have asked and got my refuse from as a reply, now should it ?! Waiting for your fairy-tale.. dumb ass, you should not have pulled other people into it that could easily be asked. Adding the truth to Raiden's assumptions: I did not join Trinity, but built up that group with some others month later then Raiden is claiming and i left Trinity after a few days. True is that i was part of Pandora, but don't ask me for how long, as i left the group quite early again, just released a few games for Pandora, not being satisified with the group and afterwards built up Joy Division with Jihad and LTH, but left the group again as our First-Releases were released under some lame US-Label and therefore destroyed the good start of the group. By the way, also Jihad left the group at the same time for the same reasons. He is my witness, easily to be asked about the truth. But hey, dumb Raiden, all this did not happen in 04/1991, but a lot later, but how should you slut know... just pulling lies about certain people and their groups.
>> 12/1991: Raiden's wrong and therefore of course unproven assumptions:
>> Thorsten/Arrogance got kicked out of Joy Division
>> and tried to join Victims, but they rejected and he re-joined X-Ray.
The truth:
The Arrogance was never kicked out of Joy Division, because The Arrogance left the group, just like Jihad
did. Besides that, The Arrogance was part of the leading council and therefore could have never been kicked
out. Simply pathetic bullshit made up by Raiden, nothing more. The story about The Arrogance being refused to join
to Victims can be read in Bild Zeitung, but nevertheless i will tell it again. Before Victims was build up, Roy/Radar
called me and asked me if i would be interested to build up some new group with guys from Censor and Extacy. But at
that time i did not believe that he would get the guys he had told to build up that group and refused. After i had left Joy Division
i called Roy and asked him if the offer is still valid and he told me, that all Victims-members had made up the decision not to
take anymore members, as they already had everything in the group they needed. Thus is was ok for me and Roy and i
rejoined X-Ray for good. That's it all about the rumour being refused... anything left Raiden ?! No problem, i am waiting for
your next attempt to bring up lies about certain sceners! You're welcome. |
| | TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Wow .. (gets himself some popcorn, waiting for the next round) .. and they haven't even brought up guys like Trap or the dutch members. This rules!
Fight! Fight! Fight! |
| | Dishy
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 241 |
Quote: Wow .. (gets himself some popcorn, waiting for the next round) .. and they haven't even brought up guys like Trap or the dutch members. This rules!
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Yep TDJ, could actually be cool to see Trap/SCS/Bonzai in here at CSDb. Where´re the rest of Bonzai these days anyway? Miss those guys sometimes. Infact Trap also released Lethal News under the Success label, so maybe some facts could be found there too?!?
Anyway, where is Radar these days?
*****Once A Scener - Always A Scener***** |
| | TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Yep TDJ, could actually be cool to see Trap/SCS/Bonzai in here at CSDb. Where´re the rest of Bonzai these days anyway? Miss those guys sometimes. Infact Trap also released Lethal News under the Success label, so maybe some facts could be found there too?!?
Anyway, where is Radar these days?
*****Once A Scener - Always A Scener*****
It's been more than 9 years ago that I last spoke with Jesper (Trap), at that time I was a member of Bonzai pc. Don't know where he is these days, maybe Torben (Metal) knows, although it's been quite some time since I last spoke with him as well.
Damn, I'm losing touch ..
As for Radar:
<sarcasm>
well, who would have guessed he would only stay around for a short time?
</sarcasm> |
| | Rough
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Interesting topic for scene historians like I am.
Radar/Roy was always an idiot with a big mouth, lamed around on the boards, got crushed and after a while came back with an even bigger mouth. I remember he called me once and when I asked him where he got the # from, he said he hacked it from some com. He simply asked Psychobilly/Hysteric. Hahahaha, what a fake. |
| | CyberBrain
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Anyway, back on topic :)
The history of success... Who is right? Are there any errors in what The Arrogance wrote at the success-record? |
| | Metal
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I have no idea where Trap is today.. however Jeff has been in touch with Ricky, THA and Trap not that long ago. Maybe he knows something. |
| | The Arrogance
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36 |
The first and last time (actually too bad we didn't meet again) i had personally contact with Jesper/Trap (and Sonny) was at the Dominators/Upfront/Trilogy Party in Randers 12/1989.. one of those meetings i will never forget, as Trap already announced to me, days and weeks before the party, that we would booze like hell and would become so god damn horrible damaged drunk, therefore calling it "being passed out" afterwards would definitly fit the situation. But at this time it wasn't yet completely clearly to me what he meant with that. However, I should have learned it the fast and rough way, the boozing-Trap-way, him being my teacher. I do not remember exactly anymore, but it must have been a whole palet of beer we were drinking at that one evening.. well, Fox/Upfront/Dominators was the third one to booze with us. And as a final summit the three drunk bastards were sitting in one small toilet and smoked some Pot to complete the day. Afterwards we were just laying down on the floor behind the rest of the Success-Posse to finally get some sleep before hangover was almost killing us, at least me.
Yep, these are the memories, which i connect with some danish-party-maniac called "Trap"! Hell yeah, we had our fun!
T. |
| | CyberBrain
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i've e-mailed Trap.
Please keep Roy=Radar out of this, unless it's relevant.
Ok, i've tried to organize what it's about. Maybe i missed something.
It shows both oppinions, and what info there is in CSDb right now (could be very wrong).
Who formed success?
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1) Holger/Magic Circle/Dynamix. Tim, Fate, Hero/Sharks. Xaver/Baboons. Three guys from Netmen. Brandis/Share. Destroyer/Bionix. TMB/Pulsar and some ex-Savage-members
2) Stet/Sharks (Ex-Shining 8), Tanner/Sharks, TJ/Sharks, Splash/Sharks (Holger and Jörg / Magic Circle renamed into Splash. MCL/Ex- Sharks, Ex-INXS, Ex-X-Ray), Thorsten (Ex- Reptil/Shining 8 and Sharks renamed into The Arrogance), Steel/Ex-Sharks, Rap (Ex-Shining 8 and Sharks), TMB/Pulsar, Tim/Baboons, Hero/Baboons, Treat/Baboons, Fate/Baboons, Xaver/Baboons, The Destroyer/Bionix, Exe/Netmen, Pyle/Netmen, Cosinus/Netmen, John Sinclair/Dynamix (Trisoft), Def/Share, Brandis/Share (Ex-Shining 8), Antares 13/Share, Warlock/Share, Stryker/Share, TCO/Sharks, Yup & Burp/Sharks and Jetblack/Sharks
CSDb) T.J., Brandis, Stet, Exe, RAP, Steel, Pyle, The Arrogance
When did people join Success?
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1) TJ, Tanner, Pyle, Roy, MCA, Reptil (renamed into The Arrogance) joined success in September 1989.
2) TJ, Tanner, Pyle was allready in success coz they founded the group.
Roy and MCA joined success between the end of October 1989 and the end of November 1989.
CSDb) TJ, Tanner, Pyle formed success. Roy, MCA joined October 1989.
Who got kicked out of Success?
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1) TMB, Tim, Brandits got kicked out of success in September 1989.
2) Tim left success. Brandits quit the scene. (TMB unknown)
CSDb)
When did Thorsten/Arrogance get kicked out of success?
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1) Thorsten/Arrogance got kicked out of success on 28/01/90
2) Thorsten/Arrogance got kicked out of success before xx/12/89 (Dominators/Upfront/Trilogy Party 1989). He rejoined Success a few days later.
CSDb)
When did Success and X-Ray start their coop?
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1) Febuary 1990
2) (unknown)
CSDb) 1990
When did TJ join "arrogance"?
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1) March 1990
2) long before March 1990
CSDb)
When did Thorsten/Arrogance quit the scene?
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1) October 1990
2) August 1990 (after the incident with Legend)
CSDb)
What groups did Thomas/Arrogance joine/quit and when?
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1) April 1991: Thomas/Arrogance joined Trinity. Left Trinity a few days later. Joined Pandora. Left Pandora a few days later. Was refused to join Enigma. Joined Joy Division.
2) April 1991: Thomas/Arrogance was in X-Ray. He could not join other groups.
Months later: Thomas/Arrogance formed Trinity (with some other guys)
?: Thomas/Arrogance joined Pandora. Left Pandora a few days later.
CSDb) Trinity was formed by Nigga in 1991.
What groups did Thorsten/Arrogance joine/quit and when?
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1) December 1991: Thorsten/Arrogance was kicked out of Joy Division.
Thorsten/Arrogance asked to join Victims, but was rejected.
Thorsten/Arrogance re-joined X-Ray.
2) ? : Thorsten/Arrogance left Joy Division.
Thorsten/Arrogance asked to join Victims, but was rejected.
Thorsten/Arrogance re-joined X-Ray.
CSDb)
so in the last one they allmost agree. :)
Now try to all stay calm and relax. I don't want any more insults in this topic. |
| | The Arrogance
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 36 |
I just want to let you know that i had some mail-exchange with Hartmut alias Roy/Radar yesterday.. due to this there's not a big chance left that Roy/Radar is Raiden, tough you never can be 100% sure. According to Radar, he got an e-mail, sent by Raiden, complaining about that i would be talking bad about Radar behind his back. Therefore Radar got interested and sent me an e-mail to ask me what this is all about. I did not have a problem to let him know how all that senseless crap with Raiden started and furthermore also told him, that i assumed Radar and Raiden to be one and the same person, in this case Hartmut himself. He replied per e-mail, giving me some serious and in my eyes thrustable reasons why he is not Raiden and therefore the topic was cleared. According to Radar, Raiden is some guy called Richard (real name), who was a former member of Eaglesoft Inc., using the handle Captain Kidd. When he moved to the PC-scene, he should have been a member of Dominators PC and Class PC, according to Radar and Raiden himself. Maybe some Dominators-members or former members onhere know something about it. Indeed, logically this brings up the question, at least it did for me, what the hell has a former member of Eaglesoft to do with Success that he worries in such an agitating and eagerly way about the Success record? Does not make any sense, does it ?! Whatever, some people are said to do wierd things when they get older... by the way, i don't believe any american to know such detailed information about people that have just been in the group for a day when the group was formed. This stuff is the kind of data that even i don't remember completely anymore, as it was of no importance anyway. Thus, how should some American know, who even never was a member of the group at anytime ?! He cannot know. This makes sense, nothing else.
Regards,
T. |
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