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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Release id #237162 : Tribute to Vangelis
@4gent,
1) feels you took those quotes out of context
2) I even said to 2 girls on the schoolyard when I was 9 that I'm never gonna have sex because its disgusting
3) Talent added so much of his own, that I consider it an original work, Vermeer traced outlines with pinhole camera, Talent used another work for reference I couldnt care less. |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 81 |
Quote: @Forstbyte, you said that exactly:
"Everyone can see that this is 95% Vahid Ahmadi's original work"
so dear frostbyte, can you show us how easy is this, download whatever image from the net, convert to c64 while changing 5%, lets see what comes out :)
@Oswald: Again, its not about the abilities of someone, just about being honest with the c64 scene, about where Talent got his, in this case obvious "inspiration" for the pic.
Hope you can finally accept this without falling back into deny mode.
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: @Oswald: Again, its not about the abilities of someone, just about being honest with the c64 scene, about where Talent got his, in this case obvious "inspiration" for the pic.
Hope you can finally accept this without falling back into deny mode.
Shocker/Onslaught
this is much more about the individuals trying to drag down talent, than about honesty or copying whatever you make up. |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 81 |
Please forgive me Oswald, but I cannot see any hate, envy or dragging down involved ... much more, people are just expressing their opinions based on keen observations.
Shocker/Onslaught |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 502 |
@Oswald: I think you're dismissing the general Zeitgeist graphicians are confronted with at the moment. I don't think anyone has the intention to "drag down talent", but is in a quite sensible state because of what is happening to (especially graphic) art these days.
I think we (meaning you, me everyone who is not directly affected by the ongoing changes) should keep a "good faith" attitude towards either side of those discussions.
Especially in the C64 context I hope we can agree, that even if we argue we all want the "best" for our scene. I personally try to see dispute as a good thing. Mankind – and we as persons – can not evolve without dispute. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1410 |
I'm not a huge fan of demands for workstages, they do seem a bit accusatory to me. Also, there's no reason they'd exist (most tools don't autocreate them, so it's some work to hold on to them), and they're also eminently fakeable.
And, I'm somewhat bemused by comments on another production that "I can see a dither matrix, therefore this was wired" - y'all know that humans can do those too, right? Like, most dither algorithms were invented by a person in the first place?
Anyway, whatever the process was, this Vangelis image was beautifully executed, especially in the light of the restrictions involved. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
It would make a great tutorial. But maybe it's a trade secret. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1410 |
Oh I love *seeing* workstages, they're fascinating!
It's that whole "if you don't produce workstages then I know you were cheating" thing that I call bullshit on. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954 |
The process from the original 3D work to the C64 version is a mystery to me, though I'm guessing there are quite some 'layers' involved. Same as for example Rembrandt works with at least 3 layers (dark underpainting, mid-tones, highlights). I wonder how that classical process would relate to this. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Oswald:
Quote:1) feels you took those quotes out of context
Fair enough. I can agree with you on that.
I don't have a horse in this race. I'm no graphician. I reacted here only because this lack of respect was shown. By an artist for a fellow artist. It made me sad. It made our world feel smaller and uglier. And I didn't like that. That's all. Guys, please don't take someone's hard work and just deny the author his very authorship. What's the point? Talent didn't claim he was the author of "a few photos from the internet", he didn't claim he was the author of the Zbrush model, so it's not like he ripped someone off, he just deliberately refused to recognize the true author. Why would anyone choose to do that? |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 502 |
Quoting ChristopherJamAlso, there's no reason they'd exist (most tools don't autocreate them, so it's some work to hold on to them), and they're also eminently fakeable.
Mh. That made me think about writing a "workstage creator tool".
1.) Remove dithering and leave huge single colored shapes
2.) Remove a shape
3.) repeat 2 until no more shapes left
Maybe AI could help with that process in step 1 to only remove parts of the dithering or to implement some random "mistakes" that then get "corrected" within 2-3 loop to make it look more realistic ;-) |
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