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2002-04-10 22:38
Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?

Hello, CSDb denizens:

I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.

I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.

My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.

After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.

Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
 
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2003-08-22 16:36
Cruzer

Registered: Dec 2001
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@Graham:

I actually meant Visiality 2, which was released in summer 1992.

But you're right, Elysion/Origo had totally slipped out of my mind for some reason. That's gotta be the 1st floodfiller on c64, and the 1st trackmo aswell. Dunno why I was under the impression that Mitch/Visual Reality was the inventer of c64 floodfilling. I also thought Digital Madness/Brutal was the 1st trackmo. Well, guess you learn something new every day.
2003-08-22 17:19
Mermaid

Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: Could that be Digital Broadcasting System (DBS)? I remember ABS 3001 was a member of that group, and he made a great demo together with Zen of Sphinx. Don't remember the name anymore, just that it was one of those demos which made me real depressed because I could never reach such a high level.

TDJ: Could that demo be Hell House? It has an irq loader and was pretty cool for its time:

Hell House
2003-08-22 18:40
TDJ

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Quote: TDJ: Could that demo be Hell House? It has an irq loader and was pretty cool for its time:

Hell House


It is and it was. Quite recentely I checked a lot of dutch demos from that era and bumped into quite a few products by ABS. Hell House is by far his best, really outstanding. Unfortunately he concentrated on dycp's only later on when he was in Sphinx ..
2003-08-23 09:36
iopop

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about "trackmos".

Horzion released the demo Xpertelligence in 1989. Just one file so no loading, still it has the same flow as the later trackmos.

Also Red Storm/Triad was one of the earlier trackmos released the summer of 1992, though the files are unhidden.

Digital Madness/Brutal was released in september/october 92? I remember Tjost/Jam was quite disappointed since they had used shade bobs, which our uppcomming demo also included. If I'm not completly wrong that demo was the first to use shade bobs?
2003-08-23 21:42
Eyeth
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Hello.

I've come up with ten such demos for the Milestone Demo Voting Chart. They are:

Dawnfall
Dutch Breeze
Elysion
ESCOS
Krestology
Mathematica
One-Der
Seal of Focalor
So-phisticated III
Think Twice

Before this voting chart appears on CSDb, I hope I don't have to change my mind. I know there'll be some flak as to why a particular demo wasn't included or why this one was included, etc. I hope these ten demos are pretty representative of how such demos can advance the demo scene, and wield influence on future demo releases.

Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
2003-08-23 22:57
Puterman
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I'm sure Dwangi will be disappointed that Fressepissen wasn't included.
2003-08-24 07:54
Steppe

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aka DuschenBumsen. Amazing how they tweak the VIC!
2003-08-25 20:21
Intensity
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Eyeth, do you also write something about the worst demo in c64 history?

.: Intensity :.
2003-08-25 21:22
Eyeth
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Quote: Eyeth, do you also write something about the worst demo in c64 history?

.: Intensity :.


Hello.

Not really. Not only is it negative, I feel it just isn't constructive and 'newsworthy'. However, I do know of a couple of demos that were widespread and vastly overrated. The TRAP demo, a.k.a. 'Gladiator' demo is one such example. Fruit of the Doom demo is an another glaring example and is the leading (downloads) demo at C64.CH.

Enjoy.
-Todd Elliott
2003-08-26 18:40
Intensity
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Oh, I see!

But for the case that you are interested in the worst demos in the c64 history, please memorize the group "Metalvotze". Everything else is self-explanatory! ;)

.: Intensity :.
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