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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Proposed rule change
I would like to propose a rule change. If an admin is involved in posting in a thread they are not allowed to use their admin powers to delete posts, issue warnings or lock threads. This would help stop the situations where an admin who loses an argument can abuse their powers to remove the posts they personally disagree with.
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Groepaz. It isn't the silly bickering so much, as you say mods are not machines they are people as well.
It is the silly bickering then deleting on topic useful posts and locking the thread. That just looks plain bad.
I think you should restore the posts and unlock the thread to give those of us who were discussing on topic a chance to continue the discussion. At least it will show that you can admit you're wrong and clean up your own mess. This would demonstrate good qualities that people expect from good moderation. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384 |
Quote:It is the silly bickering then deleting on topic useful posts and locking the thread. That just looks plain bad.
agreed - i think i said that before.
Quote:At least it will show that you can admit you're wrong and clean up your own mess. This would demonstrate good qualities that people expect from good moderation.
if anyone from the moderation team felt like the case would be handled wrong, you can be sure he would speak it out and act accordingly. however, in this case i am with creamd.
i'd like to give your initial idea another thought though - eventhough i think it is unrealistic in practise for several reasons so making it mandatory is likely not going to happen - it is probably a good idea to "keep in mind" anyhow. i totally understand and support the idea behind it - the entire thing would have likely turned out differently if another moderator had stepped in. (atleast we'd get some evil communist images instead... or something =P)
i'd also like to think it a step further - what about if some user gets into an argument or otherwise disagrees with a moderator or rule, then he can not complain about it because he is personally involved - he must find another user, who is not involved, who does that? (yes, another unrealistic idea that wont work in practise. it rocks in theory though :=P)
because, you know, it isnt like that we dont want or dont listen to feedback of whatever kind - especially if it involves the rules we impose or the moderation in general.
it is more like, that very often (most of the times infact) the kind of feedback that comes from users who are directly involved is not very useful. eg it is obvious that someone who just got into an argument and then some of his posts were deleted most likely feels that this wasnt the right thing to do. we know that already :) what is a whole lot more interesting in such cases is feedback from those who are not directly involved (and preferably not big buddie with someone involved either) - because that'd really be the only way to get a half neutral view from a user perspective.
and in fact, although this kind of feedback is rare (unfortunately), it is almost always useful and leads to an improvement of some sort. eg i am just right now working on making some particular rule more elaborate, because some (even totally new) user noticed us about something that leaves too much room for interpretation and needs a small addition to avoid some silly arguments :)
on the other hand, opening a thread and posting silly nazi references is, even if you are right and were treatened wrong, completely counterproductive and will always lead into the respective actions, even if you are right and were treatened wrong. if that is your feedback, then you really shouldnt complain about what emerges from it either =P
another thing learned from this thread though: for those who like nitpicking on words, "moderators" should probably rename themselves to "co-sysops". it'd be more fitting in any case.
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
I can think of one easy way the board code can be changed to put the rule into force. Any post by a moderator in a thread removes the admin flag for that user, unless the moderator ticks a box when posting that signifies the moderator is posting with their moderator hat on
In that case the post background changes colour to signify the moderator nature of the post. Such flagged moderator posts will obviously need to follow the rules. |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
By the way I don't think anyone has explicitly said deleting the posts was a good idea. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
I think the mods (all mods) do a pretty reasonable job here and Im ok with errors on their side/site.
Also the only drawback _here_ is Stingray who posted i.e. something important in that very thread after 1 year delay beforehand. Next time he will find his thread hijacked (and not explicitly by mods).
People overreact all the time, so do mods on occasion. No harm done IMHO. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
Quoting Groepazlook at some of the past "omg the evil nazi mods" threads and see how its always the same 5 people whining
always the same 5 people whining? it was my first time and i don't feel like whining, sorry. i've never complained about admin/moderators before. why did i open a thread on misjudgment this time? first, let's see what happened.
1) topic is closed.
2) (arguable) irrelevant messages are deleted.
don't you think there is an ordering mistake here? if you had deleted the irrelevant messages first, you didn't need to close that topic anyway, right? closing that topic was wrong. deleting messages afterwards was an even worse decision. i still think deleted messages are not off-topic, i was interested in the content, i have learned something new called cd-i etc. now the topic is closed and messages are deleted. worst possible scenerio if you ask me.
you can always say "moderator decides" but that doesn't change the bad moderation fact. and i'm not talking in general. i'm just referring this VIC-X topic case.
i had no urge to write this message until i've seen "its always the same 5 people whining" comment. |
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Martin Piper
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 722 |
Me neither, my first time as well. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
I just noticed "Account closed" under Oswald's handle in the forum. Protest or wtf?
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2928 |
@Skate -> Temporary ban -> http://csdb.dk/forums/?roomid=7&topicid=84847#84892 |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
I thought Oswald closed his account (or asked admins to close) as a protest. But apparently story was different. :) |
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