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2013-02-16 10:45

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

demos

READ WITH CARE AND WITH OPEN MIND:

Based on Revolved and demos like that - really great demos... but...

It is truly a beauty of a demo you have created and the hours, work and cleverness behind it must be massive!!!... Can I go beyond the normal standards here? OK? Cool... I just want to ask the c64 scene something that I really think so much about... what are we? What are the scene? Where do we want to be or where do we want to go? What if we become the producers of the all loving and polished no to argue and nothing to complain about? what is the scene then... I think this demo show some super powers in making something run smooth and so seamingless and so splendid... but where is the hard-on? Where is the humor? Where is the fun and loving bits? Where is the contrasts? Where is the black and white? Where is the FUN? When should I smile with sound and when should I cry? I meen this demo is so cool and a great piece til revolved logo is on screen and then the next effect is also cool.... then a line makes a splitt and the demo is insane cool... but after that... what is it really? For me it is people trying to make something that everyone will think is really great. It is so well made this demo so I am on thin ground here and I see that because I see the demo over and over and over again and I just envy the transition power in here and the colors and the fades and all but to me it is really mostly that... the plasma over the char squares are great also.... then the portrait part with the rotating letters, beautiful.... but so without sole... then the best part of the demo comes the rotating stuff.... from here and in it is for me just smooth moves and really beutiful work... but what I really ask is: Is this it? Is that what we are aiming for? The sphere movers are ofcourse beautiful and so cool...everything is really splendid in the demo!!! That is why I try to write this post as true as possible... how many demos like this will it take to kill our scene? We are part of something that we love and we love it because we are part of something that is NOT mainstream... so why do we push the productions to be mainstream? I meen, this is a fantastic demo, it really is and congratulations for the win, I really meen that and I hope you all can read my text in a way that is not hate, not bad or not silly, because I really meen this... Are we not men with our edge anymore? If we want to do the all perfect stuff for all humans on the planet earth, are we then not on the wrong platform??... I want to say something, want you to smile, to cry and to die because it is silly or so hard to grasp... I do not want to make smooth powerpoints with a cool sid tune on top... The cool DANE tune saves this demo even more for me even the demo in itself is so great... but the greatness is not the best for me... can I say this without beeing the worst arse in the scene? In a way I know my powers in making demos and also I know that we can make the transitions and make all blend so great but that is just not fun to do so again super thanx for your time on that, how many demos more would you like to do that on? ...maybe I just am all wrong but to me it is about effects and making some insane things on this machine and not just press the gausian blur button in photoshop and make it be so that everyone likes it... what about make someone puke... make them hate your demo... make them love it... make them be filled with anger... make them cry out of emotions, just a text like my text in Another beginning with the man in the window, it is me, give from yourself, make us beleive, make the viewers be filled with moods in different orders... make a rollercoaster ride... you do not want to go to transition world, what we want is the contrasts that shake us up a bit? the different stuff? the black and white? For me it is so...

I really think our scene will die if we try to make more and more and more transition based demos, I really do think so... I really think it is getting a tad booooooring as fuck now too... AND the worst, one do fun stuff creating a routine, then one must do all that in such a great way after? It is like wasshing the car with a thoothbrush for me in a way... I just do not think it is any fun, do all you others out there love to sit and do fades and transitions more than the effects itself? Do you? because I want to know? Can we just make us be shocked more, feel love more, feel hate more, feel joy more.... Today it is so smooth and it is so nice and it is so cool but it is our death, just because we are so great at what we do so it gets boring in the long run... we have been in this scene for so long, let us try to talk about this? I know bepp and we are so great friends when it comes to demo creating and let us face it... we are the super democreators(we are the ones, we are the c64 scene and we are the strongest because I love jan, I love bob, I love mahoney... I love to mobb lars... and so on, they love me back in a way that I can feel in my life, it is totally great, we are family you see, we are the weird ones, the ones doing this, we are great!) still beating the life in something strange and do me a favour and not let me have a hard time here... I think it is the perfect demo to post this on because I, you and all know this is a insane great demo... you won and it is great... I salute you... Ask the coders, would it be cool to make the effects and not all the transitions? And will we break the hardware more than what we do... we need to do that... in my mind! I am just a fool, but you know what? I stand for me, I stand tall above normal, abnormal... and I ask... what do we do in order to make this scene really be something for us to have in the next 30 years too... we are the best in the world at what we do... Triad - you made a fantastic demo... I just want to use the time to make a disqussion about the lot...

I want to be in the old peoplehome and do c64 demos... with transitions that will not hapen! With edge and striking moodsetters that might happen!

just me, PAL

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2013-02-18 18:23

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

it's like demos have lost their balls, remember when Reflex got away with a loading screen displaying "black screen <timer>" ? and it was cool :)

2013-02-18 18:23

Pantaloon

Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 124

make demos and stop posting on forums!!

2013-02-18 18:24

Dane
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421

Yes Oswald, it was hard not to react after the 8th or so namedrop...

The intention has never been to kill a scene, but instead do things that we think look and sound good and are a challenge to us. I guess the positive aspect about being referred to as mainstream is that it has had effect on others.

Anyway, nevermind. Every minute I spend on this forum is one minute less I can actually produce something...that will give you more anxiety.

2013-02-18 18:41

Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086

You are taking it from the wrong perspective. EoD is mostly being talked of as a trend setter and something that can not be beaten. You can never please everyone and even those saying disliking this or that I bet have high respect for what you have done. It's a milestone like Dutch Breeze. Peace :)

2013-02-18 20:03

Shadow
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 355

Yeah, I think you took this the wrong ay Dane. Of all the mentions of EoD in this thread, only Peacemaker has any negative words associated with it.
I think almost everyone agrees that EoD is an instant classic, arguably the best C64 demo ever (just look at the Top Demos chart to the right...)
What it did is set a quality standard that many (me included) feel they can never reach, but that is not criticism of the demo, quite the opposite!

2013-02-18 20:48

Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248

Erhm... No, you got me wrong. Please re-read my post. I just say that the theme is not my kind of taste. But ofcourse from a coders point of view i know that the demo is the best one ever made.

2013-02-18 21:18

Dane
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Registered: May 2002
Posts: 421

Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I hope some of it will fuel you to go home and make something even better or something that is more like your vision of what a demo should be.

It is tempting sometimes to just put my feet up and say that I'm done with demos - achievement unlocked! But then there's always the vision of the Next One, when we start swapping ideas, screenshots and suddenly it's a mad dash for some deadline and some party all over again. And that, strangely enough, is what I really like about making demos.

But this...

"dane, you alone can not save the transition scene... you have done for so long now... you are insane... "

This really pissed me off.

2013-02-18 21:30

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

And again I am sorry, like I wrote everything gets out the wrong way on here without human gesture and the love and smile and so on when saying stuff like that... it was really about you being so great and all... Here in norway we say to someone when they are supergreat... you are just insane!!!! as in great super uber... I will stop now, it gets nowhere and I hate myself for writing anything about this topic in the first place. SORRY AGAIN - if I could I would just delete the whole thread... maybe I can? I do not know.... it gets so mad and bad every time... guess we are very passionate about demos on here! Sorry... white flag held high up in the air waving, forgive me... I am just a fool... never ment it like this... Goodnight! See you all at a demo-party.

2013-02-18 22:45

TWW

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 545

TL;DR and too much male bonding.

Instead of saying what I don't like I'd like to offer my sincere opinion of the greatest demo/C64 moments in my life:

First there was the Smash Designs remake of Future Crews PC demo from 1994: "second reality".

The second and also the one who topped that was "Dawnfall" by Graham/Oxyron. Pure code evilness.

Other then that I'd like to mention the NUFLI Movie player by X-Bow is out of this world (Not a demo / stock box but fuck yeah).

There are others which blew my head off but these are for me the most memorable ones where my jaw hit the ground.

Now strangely enough to me neither second reality nor dowfall are among the top 10... So in short my taste differs from the general popular conviction and thank god for that having in mind what they say; Society is getting more and more feminine every day (Manboobs, movie crying, infant trolley pushing, obsessive focus on children, the color pink WHICH IS NOT A MAN COLOR, "man" bags and last but not least GANGNAM STYLE). So if you like any of these things and at the same time enjoy lenghty/colorful transitions, chances are you have some supressed femininity hiding under your chipped exterior. But hey, it's ok! It's 2013! The Mayans got it all wrong! For the rest of us we still have the Discovery Channel.

The defense has no further witnesses.

Now let's talk about who can squeeze the most pixels in a line within 120 cycles. Coz that's what the coding sceene is about IMHO...

2013-02-19 05:34

JackAsser

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014

*yawns* what's up with the forum scene nowadays?

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