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2013-02-16 10:45

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

demos

READ WITH CARE AND WITH OPEN MIND:

Based on Revolved and demos like that - really great demos... but...

It is truly a beauty of a demo you have created and the hours, work and cleverness behind it must be massive!!!... Can I go beyond the normal standards here? OK? Cool... I just want to ask the c64 scene something that I really think so much about... what are we? What are the scene? Where do we want to be or where do we want to go? What if we become the producers of the all loving and polished no to argue and nothing to complain about? what is the scene then... I think this demo show some super powers in making something run smooth and so seamingless and so splendid... but where is the hard-on? Where is the humor? Where is the fun and loving bits? Where is the contrasts? Where is the black and white? Where is the FUN? When should I smile with sound and when should I cry? I meen this demo is so cool and a great piece til revolved logo is on screen and then the next effect is also cool.... then a line makes a splitt and the demo is insane cool... but after that... what is it really? For me it is people trying to make something that everyone will think is really great. It is so well made this demo so I am on thin ground here and I see that because I see the demo over and over and over again and I just envy the transition power in here and the colors and the fades and all but to me it is really mostly that... the plasma over the char squares are great also.... then the portrait part with the rotating letters, beautiful.... but so without sole... then the best part of the demo comes the rotating stuff.... from here and in it is for me just smooth moves and really beutiful work... but what I really ask is: Is this it? Is that what we are aiming for? The sphere movers are ofcourse beautiful and so cool...everything is really splendid in the demo!!! That is why I try to write this post as true as possible... how many demos like this will it take to kill our scene? We are part of something that we love and we love it because we are part of something that is NOT mainstream... so why do we push the productions to be mainstream? I meen, this is a fantastic demo, it really is and congratulations for the win, I really meen that and I hope you all can read my text in a way that is not hate, not bad or not silly, because I really meen this... Are we not men with our edge anymore? If we want to do the all perfect stuff for all humans on the planet earth, are we then not on the wrong platform??... I want to say something, want you to smile, to cry and to die because it is silly or so hard to grasp... I do not want to make smooth powerpoints with a cool sid tune on top... The cool DANE tune saves this demo even more for me even the demo in itself is so great... but the greatness is not the best for me... can I say this without beeing the worst arse in the scene? In a way I know my powers in making demos and also I know that we can make the transitions and make all blend so great but that is just not fun to do so again super thanx for your time on that, how many demos more would you like to do that on? ...maybe I just am all wrong but to me it is about effects and making some insane things on this machine and not just press the gausian blur button in photoshop and make it be so that everyone likes it... what about make someone puke... make them hate your demo... make them love it... make them be filled with anger... make them cry out of emotions, just a text like my text in Another beginning with the man in the window, it is me, give from yourself, make us beleive, make the viewers be filled with moods in different orders... make a rollercoaster ride... you do not want to go to transition world, what we want is the contrasts that shake us up a bit? the different stuff? the black and white? For me it is so...

I really think our scene will die if we try to make more and more and more transition based demos, I really do think so... I really think it is getting a tad booooooring as fuck now too... AND the worst, one do fun stuff creating a routine, then one must do all that in such a great way after? It is like wasshing the car with a thoothbrush for me in a way... I just do not think it is any fun, do all you others out there love to sit and do fades and transitions more than the effects itself? Do you? because I want to know? Can we just make us be shocked more, feel love more, feel hate more, feel joy more.... Today it is so smooth and it is so nice and it is so cool but it is our death, just because we are so great at what we do so it gets boring in the long run... we have been in this scene for so long, let us try to talk about this? I know bepp and we are so great friends when it comes to demo creating and let us face it... we are the super democreators(we are the ones, we are the c64 scene and we are the strongest because I love jan, I love bob, I love mahoney... I love to mobb lars... and so on, they love me back in a way that I can feel in my life, it is totally great, we are family you see, we are the weird ones, the ones doing this, we are great!) still beating the life in something strange and do me a favour and not let me have a hard time here... I think it is the perfect demo to post this on because I, you and all know this is a insane great demo... you won and it is great... I salute you... Ask the coders, would it be cool to make the effects and not all the transitions? And will we break the hardware more than what we do... we need to do that... in my mind! I am just a fool, but you know what? I stand for me, I stand tall above normal, abnormal... and I ask... what do we do in order to make this scene really be something for us to have in the next 30 years too... we are the best in the world at what we do... Triad - you made a fantastic demo... I just want to use the time to make a disqussion about the lot...

I want to be in the old peoplehome and do c64 demos... with transitions that will not hapen! With edge and striking moodsetters that might happen!

just me, PAL

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2013-02-19 16:16

TPM

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 110

i love transitions, the more the better.. so there's a market :)

2013-02-19 18:28

Testa
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Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 197

people stop complaining, the C64 has a long history and it has brought great creativity. A well balanced demo with hightech effects, nice graphics, a great soundtrack and smooth transitions is in my eyes the top of the c64 evolution!

2013-02-19 18:36

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

Pervosextext is the top of the c64 evolution, no question about it!

2013-02-19 19:11

BHF
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Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 30

The Urine sinus waveplotter ! PD ftw!!

2013-02-20 01:00

PAL

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 271

carrion... please... fuck off, you are an hemorrhoid in the arse and we all know it... you had to come in after my white flag... hit when down that is known as... You know what? You are just lame. I said sorry this discussion/topic went all wrong, I must still stand for it, because I started it and did it all wrong... after I admit that, you come strolling along whistling your dumb shit, but we all knew that would come, you are just so predictable... we almost bet on when and how here... maybe you are a ok dude when meeting in real life but on-line you are just an arse and a hemorrhoid. Maybe even worst than what I have shown to be... but I just put on the cream and say... sorry dudes... I did it the wrong way! I can not do anything else... so hit me one more time carrion... and even more... just carry on with your shit.

2013-02-20 12:32

Carrion

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 317

why so serious?

..but you know what? you are right.
sorry.

2013-02-20 16:30

bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2581

What a nice word, much too seldom to read i a forum thread: "sorry".
Peace!

2013-02-21 23:00

Glasnost
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Registered: Aug 2011
Posts: 26

PAL in many ways i agree with you... I like artistic and hard tech content in demos too, but as axis pointed out, the loading and decrunching of a hardcore part takes time and that time somehow leaves a gap if nothing is filled in. Without some kind of transition the demo would lack flow, as most demos from my (first) active period in the early 90's did.

I would like to mention my favourite demo, as examples where the transition effects is successfull
For me nothing beats Andropolis which creates its own world with a great artistic atmosphere and awesome effects. The transitions here gives a good presentation and underlines the artwork.

I also like alot the fast pace of Edge Of Disgrace, where transitions in no way fill up the demo, just fill up small gaps, which HCL seemed to have worked hard on to keep short.

Not to mention some of the nice and artistic transitions that make Comalight 13 so entertaining. I just love the little animal crawling around and into the jawdropper of a greetings/turndisc part. A good example of an artistic transition.

Even if transitions also is important, somehow that part is always the last that is done by the coders..

....Wonder why? :o) zzzZZZ

Greetings and best regards from Glasnost..

2013-02-22 06:00

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11359

"I also like alot the fast pace of Edge Of Disgrace, where transitions in no way fill up the demo"
i have to disagree. the transitions are wonderful, long, and some of the parts in there run for way too long to go in line with "fast pace" =) personally i like it because it manages to keep that laid back feeling of a press-space demo (that is generally true for recent hcl demos) =)

2013-02-23 07:25

FATFrost
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Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 211

I like demo parts the I can leave on all day... But I also like trackmos too as they were a kick up the arse to Amiga dudes who said the c64 was lame, so I can see how those transitions became common in our demos. Pal is talking about fulfilment and meaning and individuality and not just being clones if the last with a cherry on top. I actually get very bored of musicians who copy all the other musicians and make 'popular' music. In the real world I am as underground as possible when I listen to music, but eventually they go mainstream and popular too just like our demo effects... So in the end we just need to keep striving to put something out there before someone else puts the cherry on top. Oh and Sander is right, it was all about competition, and still is for lots of sceners, but some sceners still just want to be creative and have fun. After all, life is too serious? ;)

Love you all,!!

/FatFrost

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