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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Oldskool vs Newskool
It seems that some people are stuck in a fantasy that every single tune coming on the C64, must:
1. have beats like Jeroen Tel
2. have melody like drax
3. have sounds like rob hubbard
4. be crazy inspiring like ben daglish
5. and that it has to have the smoothes baby ass 1988 bass filter
6. and so on...
so what is oldskool ?
1986 sounds ?
or 'playing it safe' ?
and what is newskool ?
be a copy of linus ?
It seems there are some persons who dont realize that HVSC has about every style of music on earth in it.
You can find old classical piano tunes, mostly people made them before hubbard religion came :D
then hubbard religion came, and everybody want to follow it, the most prominent child of hubby is jt.
although different style... its still a hubbyism...
then 20cc, what is this ? a jt religion..
rock/finnish gold....
We can mention so many.
There are founders of religion, and followers, those make up more than 80% of the composers.
And then there are the innovators, who take a risk, and do something completely new, and weird, or non standard.
Ed, Goto80, Mermaid... that sort of thing..
So, to the point, and ofcourse it is about my latest sid upload :D what else would it be about ? :D
Well, i can claim to call it newskool, because of the fact, it does not follow any of the religions i just mentioned.
You dear listener, should not expect every single tune, to be a melodic, progressive, manio depressive gut wrenching tune comparable to the depths of drax's mind.
You are in error.
There is more than just drax'ism :D
Specifically i would call my tune 'industrial techno', its the closest i can come to some kinda description. and as such, it is extremely well in its own class.
As a 'standard' C64 style tune, based on the religions mentioned, it is ofcourse completely off.
To the final point:
I appreciate your comments whatever they are, but when you f.ex write: there isnt much progression, or i would wish there was more melody, then dear listener, you have misunderstood it: industrial techno has no progressive melodic element :D
What is oldskool : when you follow the traditions
what is newskool : when you dont
That is all.
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Linus
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639 |
Even techno actually *does* have progressions :) If you have a listen to e.g. R/Raveguru/ASSID.sid (a different genre, I know, but that is not the point!) you´ll probably notice a great suspense curve that entertains throughout the whole duration of the track. That is why that particular tune works well while yours doesn´t (in my humble ears at least).
I didn´t say your track is bad and really tried to communicate contructive feedback. If you think it´s an awesome track, well ... great, that is what really counts. I won´t argue about that, tastes obviously differ. Beautiful, isn´t it?
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Soren
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 547 |
/me silently spells "pathetic" to himself... |
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DRAX
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
It has nothing to do with oldschool vs newschool - it is a matter of taste... Besides it is not about making music in a specific style in order to get respect - it's about making the music that fits your personality... Taste is very subjective and for me a emotional experience... Besides not all like JT, hubbard and even my music... So what - that's life... I still think my "The Walker" is cool and funky no matter what people says ;) ... I fully understand what they mean when the critique but I am me and I am making the music that I like... In the end you have to like the stuff you do yourself... If other people likes it - it's just a bonus ;) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
thomas, man, you're in MON. you dont have to justify your tunes. really .-) |
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DRAX
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
I am not trying to justify myself - just making a point... I guess the message is: "The most important thing is that you like music you make, Jan!" |
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PAL
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 292 |
It is about LOVE... I have my fav artist in the computer music scene and in the real life artists scene... I would never had said to The rolling Stones that, hey you sound like you... cant you do something else? Listen a bit to this and this, it is cooler! I would not say to Bruce springsteen that you suck, because Kurt Cobain were so much cooler... If I meent that I would simply just get the album I liked the most, I would not debate it with all the bands I did not buy an album from... If I had done that I would probably have been quite lame!
Your PAL |
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DRAX
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225 |
good point, Pal ;) |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
order in chaos, psychoacoustics |
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booker
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 334 |
What Drax and Jeff said. |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Really, degrading JT to a Hubbard follower, 20CC as a JT follower doesn't do it justice. Not at all. There may be an influence, but reducing the whole person to the 5% influence and neglecting the 95% of uniqueness is just ridiculous.
I've never seen it like this, but maybe it's because I'm NOT trying to put everything into little drawers with labels on it. Like you seem to, Jan. |
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