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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Release id #237162 : Tribute to Vangelis
@4gent,
1) feels you took those quotes out of context
2) I even said to 2 girls on the schoolyard when I was 9 that I'm never gonna have sex because its disgusting
3) Talent added so much of his own, that I consider it an original work, Vermeer traced outlines with pinhole camera, Talent used another work for reference I couldnt care less. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 49 |
Well, this demo entered Transmission64 this year. So it did participate in a compo. Of course good graphics in a demo helps it place higher. And if we want to compete on the same fair level for all then maybe the same rules applies for demo compos too? To be fair, this was a demo about Vangelis and having a photo of him in it is relevant. So for me this is a valid reason for having it. Just that maybe the original should have been credited.
And no-one are demanding him to show his technique. We are politely asking but instead we hear nothing from Talent himself, only hearsay from other people. I find it a bit strange. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
" Just that maybe the original should have been credited."
@Sarge have you credited the original here? have you been whitchunted by various gfxes for not doing so ?
(excuse me the poportions dont match exactly but its obvious enough)
Sorry but I'm not buying into the bullshit coming from individuals having done the same as Talent, that this is to make the scene better. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
You. Gotta. Be. F*cking. Kidding. Me. |
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The Sarge
Registered: Aug 2002
Posts: 49 |
Good find Oswald.
Yes add this to the credits please since it is indeed a Censor Design release, maybe it was you who coded this part even?
Im not sure you have the correct reference though since it doesn't seem to match. But if it is, and it seems you have the original that I by hand pixeled then who made the reference should be credited. I don't know since this was five years ago and we did not discuss these things back then.
But now we are. So finding straight copies should of course be credited the proper way. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Sorry @The Sarge for contributing to derailment of constructive conversation, but I don’t think it’s possible to have a constructive conversation with those two. Not in their current state of mind.
I’d just like to try and sum up their “argumentation” in chronological progression so far:
1) Talent's Vangelis portrait was completely hand pixelled, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
2) Talent's Vangelis portrait was based on "a few photos from internet", you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
3) Talent's Vangelis portrait was based on uncredited Zbrush sculpture, but hand pixelled nevertheless, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
4) Talent's Vangelis portrait was maybe not all that hand pixelled at all, but everyone around here steals and cheats, especially Electric and The Sarge, and yes, that little prick from croatia too, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
All this in one continuous foaming rant, never looking back, bringing up ridiculously lame ‘aha examples’, continuously spitting on everyone who tries to say something. That about right guys? Or I misunderstood something? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: Sorry @The Sarge for contributing to derailment of constructive conversation, but I don’t think it’s possible to have a constructive conversation with those two. Not in their current state of mind.
I’d just like to try and sum up their “argumentation” in chronological progression so far:
1) Talent's Vangelis portrait was completely hand pixelled, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
2) Talent's Vangelis portrait was based on "a few photos from internet", you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
3) Talent's Vangelis portrait was based on uncredited Zbrush sculpture, but hand pixelled nevertheless, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
4) Talent's Vangelis portrait was maybe not all that hand pixelled at all, but everyone around here steals and cheats, especially Electric and The Sarge, and yes, that little prick from croatia too, you’re all jelous, this is a witchunt
All this in one continuous foaming rant, never looking back, bringing up ridiculously lame ‘aha examples’, continuously spitting on everyone who tries to say something. That about right guys? Or I misunderstood something?
lets sum up the "argumentation" of your "side"
"We all did what Talent did, but for some reason he is not allowed to do what we did and this is for the betterment of the Scene" |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
Quote: Good find Oswald.
Yes add this to the credits please since it is indeed a Censor Design release, maybe it was you who coded this part even?
Im not sure you have the correct reference though since it doesn't seem to match. But if it is, and it seems you have the original that I by hand pixeled then who made the reference should be credited. I don't know since this was five years ago and we did not discuss these things back then.
But now we are. So finding straight copies should of course be credited the proper way.
I have no problem with the Vader picture, same way I have no problem with the Vangelis picture, but you can not hold Talent at gunpoint for what you also did. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Oswald: Are you saying that Vangelis portrait was wired? |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 83 |
Let me chip in that this newfound demand for high standards for original artwork in demos, and the way it is discussed with finger pointing and all, is totally unhealthy for our already small scene.
While I agree that it would be nice to introduce quoting used sources and/or AI tagging, the way this is discussed is super toxic and fun killing. Our little scene is too small and in general too insignificant to take away what little fun we get out of it by taking everything so super serious. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096 |
@electric
This is supposed be the picture Talent repixeld according to Electric. Why is there poor color depth and detail on the forehead compared to its eyes ? Can we have the link to the original on the net ? |
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