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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
CSDb: quantify me
CSDb-based quantitative analyses of the C64 Scene
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Conrad
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 847 |
The moral of the thread, is that divisionalisation is still kicking in 2010, in both the scene and the world! |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Conrad: indeed
Crackers, Demo Sceners, Cnetters, US board scene, mail scene... so many angles to the underground world of C64. |
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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493 |
C'mon guys - let's keep it tidy.
@STE: Yes, i stand corrected, there was plenty of assuming involved in that last paragraph :)
As for further analysis, i'd be very keen to see some kind of 'social mapping'. How sceners and groups were connected socially and demographically.
If someday (scroll/note/magazine) texts from productions become available, i think it must be possible to do this one way or the other. This could reveal some kind of 'importance' aswell, based on the number of times mentioned in different productions. I guess a little brainstorm about this could lead to plenty interesting angles to visualize trends.
I'm still dreaming of smart image recognition software, combined with tags (..) this could theoretically lead to a nice timeline/branch of influentual artists/work. For music, effects etc there must some kind of possibilities aswell.
It sounds very tricky and probably very naive.. As i lack all experience/knowledge in this field, except for the pretty pictures it can generate ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
What should be done is build a more sturdy and scientifically oriented CSDb that has a focus on answering these questions, instead of just collecting C64-programs via sloppy and noisy upload screens with lots of room for missing values, wrong credits, and erroneous data. Indeed, more qualitative data is also welcome, such as c64-text analyses and articles about the c64 (scene) to date and type what actually went on. Problem with CSDb is that is was not build with that in mind, though it should have as that is what a database is really about: to be able to draw sound conclusions. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quote: yeah, it a pity u didnt put a bit more work into the last version of p1 mate. u managed to break just about everything that was working when you "borrowed" the routines.
Steve
probably, but without bugreports they will stay. time to look into your request tho, I'll do it right away. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Quoting Mr. Mouse that is what a database is really about: to be able to draw sound conclusions.
for you. I believe to most of us csdb is the scene as cnet was for others. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Quote: Quoting Mr. Mouse that is what a database is really about: to be able to draw sound conclusions.
for you. I believe to most of us csdb is the scene as cnet was for others.
The scene? That's the comments and forums at CSDb. That's where the social interaction is, granted. But those have nothing to do with the actual database, that collects the raw release data. If you're calling it a database, it should be as robust as possible, in my book. Because then you have a very valuable tool. It has always been very hard for people at CSDb to deal with constructive criticism and dogma rules. So be it. Perhaps one day we should set up a new database. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
No doubt, Cnet was pretty important and big in the UK back then. But i dare to say for everyone else outside of the UK who didnt have access to it, it wasnt that important.
I've heard about CNET back in the day, but it didnt really have much importance to me as it wasnt available here. Agreed, who am I, but still.
And surely you guys arent implying that the UK scene was the alpha and the omega while the rest of the world was busy getting laid, drunk or both.
Which reminds me, what "scene" are we talking 'bout ? Demo or Cracking ? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:The scene? That's the comments and forums at CSDb.
the day "the scene" is only about babble and not releases, i will delete csdb. promised. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 235 |
Quote: Quote:The scene? That's the comments and forums at CSDb.
the day "the scene" is only about babble and not releases, i will delete csdb. promised.
Like I said, failure to deal with constructive criticism and I hereby add "reading only what you want to read". There is no way the c64 releases can be disregarded, that is not what I am saying at all, but the interaction through CSDb's forums is many times that which you can do through scroll texts alone. Thus, the scene today is alive through those 'new' communication platforms, and less so through c64 releases, imo. But of course, dogma states it is otherwise. Sadly, dogma usually has nothing to do with truth. |
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