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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
Votes
Why do some of you hide your votes? HMM? this makes no sense. And stop downvoting people just because you do not like them.
This database is supposed to be accurate, not a place for you to continue with your stupid grudges and scene wars.
a note to perff: since Secret Man, WDR etc have been deleted from this, I think you should also remove all their votes.
and get rid of this hidden voting, if people cannot publicy stand by their vote choices, then they shouldn't be voting at all.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
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Who said that votes should be reset? I didn't notice anyone requesting that!? That would be plain stupid of course.
if you want to reflect peoples changing opinion over time, you must reset the votes and make a new poll.
whats plain stupid is when you make a poll, and then let people change their votes after showing them the current result.
and yes i know the fiest is not practical for a website like this - hence the charts will always be flawed.
who gives a damn anyway, charts were nonsense in mags in 1988, and they are nonsense on the web in 2007. live with it =P
Quote:and yes i know the fiest is not practical for a website like this - hence the charts will always be flawed.
Yep. It's kinda open to attempts for manipulation of results. Subtle or heavy.
Quote:who gives a damn anyway, charts were nonsense in mags in 1988, and they are nonsense on the web in 2007. live with it =P
I agree that it is nonsense to take top charts too seriously, but that doesn't mean the abuse of voting system should be tolerated.
Voting shouldn't be used to show personal relationship towards the voted group/person/release. Although positive manifestation of such prejudical "personal preference" (=upvoting) could be (and usually is) tolerated. Negative manifestation of subjective animosities causes misundertanding and problmes (notice why this topic was "kicked back", Fungus who was upset on someone who downvoted something).
Latest visible example of such maligant behaviour was downvoting of A-Man who composed music for release by the Troublemaker of Crypt. The release was downvoted, the music was downvoted, and what's the worst the respected and well know author of music A-Man got downvoted too. This blatant example of how voting system is misused. 29% of all votes casted by Yoko are downvotes of people/groups he hates or dislikes or their releases. He got banned once for the same behaviour before. Now he did the brave thing of making his votes public (while removing his scener account) and continues in the abuse of the voting system on selected group of "enemies".
As I said in the beginning. There is no reason to take the charts too serious. But we shouldn't ignore the obvious malicious voting. If this turned to be a standard way of handling your scene enemies, results would get even worse. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
i still cant see the problem. a few individuals "downvote" people they dont like? so what? if the votes of these few individuals have enough impact on the result to significantly change it in a "wrong" way it only means one thing: the result is calculated on too few votes. given enough votes, up- and downvoting is irrelevant. given too few votes, the calculated result is irrelevant - in any case, with or without up or downvoting. |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 946 |
What's bad about emotional up or downvoting? If I don't like someone, I will downvote him or her. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote: What's bad about emotional up or downvoting? If I don't like someone, I will downvote him or her.
indeed. it doesnt have to "turn" to be a standard way of handling your scene enemies - it always has been =D |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote: What's bad about emotional up or downvoting? If I don't like someone, I will downvote him or her.
Emotional? If you constantly downvote every release the scener produces with 1 is it emotional or purposeful? If 29% of someone's votes are 1 is it emotional or purposeful? But anyway. Tell that to Fungus and other people who complaint ;-).
I gave my reasons why I think it is bad to tolerate it and why I see it as an abuse. If this is tolerated it will became a habbit. Few days ago I explained to one person why downvoting is wrong and he argumented.. they downvoted me so I did it back. I told him that this is not wanted behaviour here. (even according to rules). The person removed it's down-votes.
Few days ago some new account was registered and downvoted selected group of people that was only purpose of the account. The account got deleted. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote: indeed. it doesnt have to "turn" to be a standard way of handling your scene enemies - it always has been =D
Well I don't want to spread stereotypes, but between some groups of sceners (and nationalities) it was a "standard" way of handling their fellow sceners. If it was standard in their country that doesn't mean it is standard in the world. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote: i still cant see the problem. a few individuals "downvote" people they dont like? so what? if the votes of these few individuals have enough impact on the result to significantly change it in a "wrong" way it only means one thing: the result is calculated on too few votes. given enough votes, up- and downvoting is irrelevant. given too few votes, the calculated result is irrelevant - in any case, with or without up or downvoting.
Yes there is system of weighted voting based on user-trust implemented in one of the websites I maintain. It would require to have evaluation of CSDB users between themselves. E.g. everyone could give -5 to +5 points to everyone else in the system. From the whole data set of relationship the +/- "trust" of user's vote could be counted. That way votes from someone who has biggest trust would have the most impact. And votes from someone with least trust would have minimal effect on resulting score.
The calculated "trust" can be used for anything else. e.g. for giving higher level of user rights. E.g. possibility to unlock and maintain locked entries, etc. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
yeah great idea, lets invent another flawed thing to doctor the symptoms of a flawed system! simply raising the amount of votes needed before a result is shown to a reasonable value (5 ??? LOL! and you wonder the charts are crap?) would be too easy i guess :=) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
either stop whining or make them public. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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or make them public
and that would change... what? read it again: given enough votes, up- and down- and public- or nonpublic voting is irrelevant. if you want reasonable charts, you need enough votes. it IS that simple.
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