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2007-08-25 08:49

X-Raffi

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 24

50Cent&Timberlake / AYO TECHNOLOGY

Hi Guys ...

Do you ever hear that new Song from 50Cent&Timberlake / AYO TECHNOLOGY ?

I really think that they have used a C-64 & Amiga to make that Backround Noices.

Let me know what you Think about that Tune.

I can upp it if there is a need for it.

Regards ^.^

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2008-05-05 13:41

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

Randall, it sadly boils down to money for the labels who turn a blind eye to such things. Just make us money, dammnit.. pay the shareholders..

He has made an impact in the past for sure, BUT he has soiled it with these actions. Having respect for others work is important, many of us could have been lifting big chunks of sid sounds for years, 89 + but thought better of it.

With what he's done, its calculated (anyone who isn't from the states is fair game for them.. notice how they research that?)

A friends track was sampled BIG TIME,like what happened here BUT the person in question was MCPS registered, the label s*** themselves and paid him off as they realised he could sue. Joke was what he accepted as payment was nothing compared to what the sales were. If he held his nerve it would have been a lot better for him.

I sample, but heck not someone's whole tune, just for profits sake. Because of swapping demo's with a producer, that's how I got into making music.

people will buy his s*** simply because it's had a lot of money chucked at it, image based..etc. while others will not be so well known, or be brought in by majors BUT with a far lower budget (ties their hands). That's business I guess and people not bothering to explore music, that isn't fed to them.

the KLF book, interesting read. They've been on tv a few times showing their formula, which they couldn't get away with due to sample clearance.

I always wonder was it real money that they burned all them years ago.

As for how many more tunes that have been used, it would be interesting if a group action of things could take it further. Or some sort of proper body like MCPS but for demo musicians is formed.

2008-05-05 18:51

Akira

Registered: Oct 2003
Posts: 52

Check out what we've beendealing with for the past days:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/05/05/chiptune-music-theft-c..

2008-05-05 23:42

fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

Chancer: there's no room in the world for respect and such things. blows dog for sure, but i digress.. :)

sampling is common place, hell whole musical styles are based around it, jungle for example is derived from a b-side drum solo from the winstons in 1969 or something. you can hear it in nwa's straight outta compton.

Hell, i've taken .mod's over the years and replaced samples, restructered music etc etc, i've played them live but would never try to make money off it. Why make money from something someone does for free?

As far as i know about the klf thing, it was sponsered money and/or old commisioned bank notes. They could have simply put a large chunk in the stockmarket for a few days and reaped the benefits and burnt it. I never really looked into it.

The way i see the demoscene, it's much like the mafia. we seek digital perfection, not money. we all look out for each other in some way and show respect to those above and before us. These fuckers pissing on other sceners are essentially pissing on us all. disrespect should be dealt with swiftly. Then again, i'm in the "construction" business :)

2008-05-06 07:25

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

fade, my roots are h-core/jungle/dnb, so it's funny. where I'm from, the area I was born is a big hub of it.

yep there's loads of sampling in that, but creative and REALLY twisted up samples. As for Mr Coleman (drummer from the winstons) he died last year, he could have sued a LOAD of people for using the amen, hip hop.. etc etc it's even used in futurama , for that song he got f'd over by the record company royalty wise. The sampling laws were different back then also, not so many sample clearance people back then.

borrowing a bit is one thing, and morphing it into something new is one thing, me blatantly putting my name on someone else's work is another =/

2008-05-06 12:24

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465

@chancer: of course there are valid reasons to hate tim mosley (particularly strong within our little society), but there are also _numerous_ reasons to respect him, for what (and to what extent) he's done to the music - hh, r'n'b, pop, whichever label you put on it, suit yourself; so it isn't any wonder that people defend timbaland. nothing mindless about it. that's what i strive to point out.

2008-05-06 23:15

fade
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290

i consider this to be bullshit :) as an example i recommend listening to the a-side of grand puba's reel 2 reel album. in the days of kill whitey gangsta shit, grand puba went another direction and involved the brand new heavies into playing background behind his lyrics. fusing jazz with rap has far more of an impact than sampling some shit and rapping over it. saying that, is pretty much the same as praising puff daddy for sampling the police and rapping over it. it's unoriginal, exemplifies a lack of talent by a producer. anyone can churn this shit out, there is no reason to praise them. praise guys like herbie hancock, some 40 years in the business and in essence is only praised for rocket. even kate bush had the presence of mind to get involved with utah saints, her remake of wuthering heights in 1993 is amazing, even more so than the original.

A really good example of how it should be done comes from Ice Cube. Das Efx did the album Dead Serious, which featured a great new style to what the current state of rap was. Ice Cube pretty much ripped the whole style (poorly btw) and did the predator album. With that being said, he did bring them in on a few tracks (Check yo self), he gave them a bit of cash flow, screen presence and pretty much added a few years to their career. They weren't as good after the dead serious album but keep in mind this was a west coast/east coast merger. Ice cube saw the bigger picture and had the presence of mind to show respect, at least i like to think of it as that.

Maybe if captain fuckface contacted grg and said "hey, come cut a track with me, i'll introduce you to some people and maybe you can make some bones over here and we can settle our little problem" this useless bashing could be avoided. Sceners may have family to support, medical bills etc etc.. a little bit of royalty can ease a lot of the stress on life. It's not like us copying games in the 80's because they at least companies still made some money, there is no money in developing on the outdated machines today, so i put timbalamer in the category of stealing from beggars. it's low shit.

fuck him, the funniest part of this is that these pricks consider themselves gangsta. Fucking poser is just another fat nerd who needs his face stepped on. 50 cent got shot 9 times and he is hardcore? Why?!!? because the fucker who shot him couldnt aim for shit? How in gods name do you not kill someone with 9 shots?, you have to be a retard to not get the job done. Have none of these idiots seen any of the movies their country produces?. Christ, they are a pack of wimps. Bayliss could kick all their asses :)

2008-05-07 00:19

The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304

When I listened to this song from Justin Timberlame and 50 Excuses, I immediately thought of "Visage" by Link of Vibrants.

http://www.c64.org/HVSC/MUSICIANS/L/Link/Visage.sid

The background tune is similar.

Crystal Castles? First time I have heard of them. Is it coincidence that Crystal Castles is also the name of a classic 64 game?

If course many musicians are inspired by the creations of others but these modern "musicians" are just rippers.

2008-05-07 12:12

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

fade, regardless of it's a scener who did the music.. they should think "this guy / gal has a different angle" we need to get this MUSICIAN/Sound Programmer involved , since they have the skills and credit/pay them for their work. I know what your saying.. but alas so many sharks in the industry.

The Shadow, the problem with all of it, there are so many great sid (and scene) tunes sometimes it's tricky to pinpoint the exact one. Although someone along the line will, given enough time.. Or if it's blatantly obvious.

crystal castles is a game, yep. they can't chase anyone anyway. They ripped it off themselves..

I was listening to the radio a while back, it's funny the amount of kids that now have tunes on their i-pods have tunes before their time (70's and 80's) ,shows the state of music in some respects. Well how it is with the majors, thankfully there are more out there, doing good things.

2008-05-07 19:10

Dane

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 423

Prince > Justin Timberlake
Pharell Williams > Timbaland

Producers come and go. But if SID is finding it's way into mainstream somehow I'd rather be sampled by the French electrogods.

2008-05-08 03:29

Hate Bush

Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 465

@fade: "anybody could churn this shit out" - listen my friend, people who never tried to seriously do a pop hit will never realize how much experience and skill it takes to make a chart topper. sometimes people succeed at that accidentally, but if we speak of a dude who can repeat the routine since fucking 1995, spawning thousands of followers during his career? but of course, anyone could do that, it's real easy. and it's far better to live in a dreamworld.
ps. brand new heavies vs. grand puba, dude, that was fifteen years ago and the fact that the "backgrounds" were played live does not make them better. face it, who cares if it's played or sampled? (ok, _i_ care, _i_ was writing articles on that for polish hip hop magazines, encouraging young producers to go beyond the most obvious solution of akai mpc and vinyl - to no avail, as you might have guessed). it's the final effect that counts, nothing more. you may add 'unfortunately' and elaborate, while i'm adding 'inevitably' and living with it. cheers.

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