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2007-09-24 10:24

Rough
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My suggestion for adding intros

Okay, I've made up the following concept.

When someone adds a new release and he chooses C64 Crack there should be an extra
menu/prompt popping up at the edit screen

saying..

SEARCH INTRO (style like searching for a person)

you can check if it is the proper intro, if YES and the credits of the used intro are accurate to the ones in the database you just click it to have a link from the crack to the intro and vice versa

if the intro wasnt in the database yet or uses a char, music etc. which isnt credited yet on its intro page

you may edit following:

Name: (as mostly intros names are unknown I'd say we either call them like GROUPNAME INTRO or GROUPNAME INTRO 01, 02 etc....
Aka: e.g. if an intro has a special name which doesnt indicate its originating group this is the place to write GROUPNAME INTRO
Released at: not sure if this shall be implented, but some cracks were released at parties, if that info is important for the intro..
Release date: should name the date of the crack this intro got released first
Pouet ID: does Pouet take intros? if yes, this option aswell

Upload Screenshot from this Intro (I personally prefer a screenshot from the very first use)
Released by groups and sceners: at the entries of the intros I already uploaded I did not add this cos they are no official releases, nevertheless it could be interesting when intros were done by someone else than its group e.g. several 711 intros (Tera, Light..) still this should be usually be part of the credits when they would be 100% accurate, meaning having exact joining/leaving dates but this is an utopian wish. 8)
Credits:
Coding, Graphics, Charset, Music, PAL/NTSC fix, Text (anything else?)
now it gets tricky!
It should be possible to alter the release date for each entered credit, e.g. in the Hotline Intro with the different appearances (mostly used by C&C Hotline Intro 28) they first used JCH's X-Ray and later Edwin's Groove is in the Heart, having 'Groove is in the Heart' credited on the same day as the first use of the intro would be stupid, it's probably havent been composed on that day yet.
Difficulties occuring: If the newer music is by the same guy as the earlier one...

Shall every intro use be credited? I say no, this would follow to enormous lists e.g. on Woodo/Fairlight or David M. Hanlon being credited a 100 times for one intro, first use is enough.
Events which this releae contains information about (hm, part of the intro or of the crack....)

SIDs ûsed in this release
obviously the release date of each used SID should be changeable manually too! Release dates for SIDs are used on their particular page which lists all the releases they were used inside at the bottom of the page, not using individual release credit date would mess up the correct chronological order of the list

Cracks this intro was used for:
shall be able to merge with the proper crack, in the usual mode (searching, new crack blabla)

Download Links:
Several options
a) none
b) all the cracks this been used for, is interesting and quicker to download than going to all the pages this intro was used on, often used intros like Fairlight's Woodo could be bundled up in a .RAR archive (someone's gotta take care of that, cos they need to be updated... me?!)
c) the ripped intro like on Zyron's site, I personally dislike this option, but it seems to be liked by many sceners, besides it could also be linked to the proper page on intros.c64.org

Upload file (concludes from b+c above)

Reason for not adding a download link (dito)

Shall the intro credit pop in a sceners profile? Yes, but only once, at first use

Shall the intro credit pop in a groups profile? Not sure about that, it was never released like a demo/crack, still could be interesting in that case when e.g. Tera did an intro for 711..

Furthermore I strongly support an original/ripped use of e.g. char, music checker! Both for release and sceners/groups, in the later the ripped credits could be set up in an own list below the original credits list

- suggestions, improvements, criticism, insisting on wrong conclusions in my argumentation, contradictions? let me know

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2007-09-24 17:00

chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 347

tlr

your right

"The same intro were sometimes used on demos aswell."

some were even turned into intro's :)

CDU Demo

the first part of that was used elsewhere, same code/coder, just different logo.

2007-09-24 17:28

Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829

I already recognized the problem with demos using particular intros. Shouldnt be a problem to solve that, til then I simply mention the demo in the comments.

I don't add the groups as releaser for obvious reasons in most cases, I only do that when the intro was done by another group. By adding cracks to an intro it's easy to click surf to the cracker group entry anyhow.

2007-09-24 18:29

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

which is a weird way of looking at it imho. if group A makes an intro for group B, and group B releases a crack with that intro attached that doesnt magically turn group A into the releasing group. in almost all cases the group which used the intro can be considered the group which released it, the only exception i could think of beeing intros which were released standalone. (and that really was an exception)

2007-09-24 19:05

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790

We definately want a link from an intro to the group entry of the group using that intro.
For this to work, some added feature to the db such that it does not appear in the Release list is required.

To rephrase what I suggested earlier:
The quickest fix as I see it is to add a new release type, and that particular release type is made to show up in a list of "Intros used" by that group instead of Releases.

2007-09-24 19:08

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

sounds good to me :)

2007-09-24 19:09

tlr

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1790

Quote: which is a weird way of looking at it imho. if group A makes an intro for group B, and group B releases a crack with that intro attached that doesnt magically turn group A into the releasing group. in almost all cases the group which used the intro can be considered the group which released it, the only exception i could think of beeing intros which were released standalone. (and that really was an exception)

And if they really were released stand alone, that would probably have its own entry for the stand alone release.
This makes sense, because otherwise there would be no download if done like with the cracks currently.

2007-09-24 19:19

Burglar

Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1098

"Cracks which use this intro" / "Intro used in this crack"

great new feature!

2007-09-24 19:29

Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829

Quote: We definately want a link from an intro to the group entry of the group using that intro.
For this to work, some added feature to the db such that it does not appear in the Release list is required.

To rephrase what I suggested earlier:
The quickest fix as I see it is to add a new release type, and that particular release type is made to show up in a list of "Intros used" by that group instead of Releases.

Sounds like a good solution to me as well, intro credits should be listed like usual other entries for single sceners thou, not in a special list, but I guess that's obvious.

Still what bothers me is that release by/link to group, a special link would be best like tlr suggests, the link to a creator group outside the group the intro is for should be given automatically when all information and dates are 100% accurate, listing them 'scener of group'. Like I mentioned somewhere else it is utopic, but the way to go.

2007-09-24 19:45

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

Thumbs up, pretty good solution! And Rough doesn't need to be stopped in his recent CSDb frenzy! :D

2007-09-24 19:47

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11384

quite the contrary - time to change all those misplaced download links into proper links to the cracks :o)

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