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2023-12-15 00:38
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096
Release id #237162 : Tribute to Vangelis

@4gent,

1) feels you took those quotes out of context
2) I even said to 2 girls on the schoolyard when I was 9 that I'm never gonna have sex because its disgusting
3) Talent added so much of his own, that I consider it an original work, Vermeer traced outlines with pinhole camera, Talent used another work for reference I couldnt care less.
 
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2023-12-15 17:29
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096
Quote: @Oswald: Are you saying that Vangelis portrait was wired?

Already told you, stop trying to make me say what you want to say.
2023-12-15 17:31
Electric

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 39
I think that gfx are "just a illustrations in a demo" indeed hits some point here as well.

For many coders it might be just that – something to fill up the empty space or something fancy to get in the effect and make it look bit better.

However, for pixelers it of course ain't just that but often hundreds of hours of work, creative work that challenge the artists as much as a bug does challenge the coders. I do work with image as my daily job and pixeling for the C64 scene is a hobby. Many pixelers though do something else for their daily jobs and their creative work IS the pixel stuff.

So, it's quite natural that the gfx people want their works to be something more than "just illustrations". Suppose along this comes also the respect towards other people’s work – as seen in this debate it's mostly gfxers who ask for the workstages and coders who do not care. However, if you look at the very commercial fields of graphics you can see that ‘the Chinese way’ of using basicly anything freely for own use is becoming more and more accepted. In here we get back to the arguments on how art field and commercial visual scene differ from each other. Art field still values ‘originality’ but seems to get closer to commercial fields too. A nice image in Instagram gets immediately copied all through the globe.
2023-12-15 17:33
Electric

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 39
Quoting Oswald
@electric
This is supposed be the picture Talent repixeld according to Electric. Why is there poor color depth and detail on the forehead compared to its eyes ? Can we have the link to the original on the net ?


As mentioned in the post, the 'original' comparison image is built (fastly) out of two images. You can find those from vahidahmadizb2016 in Zbrush.
2023-12-15 17:44
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285
@Oswald:
Quote:
Already told you, stop trying to make me say what you want to say.

Sorry man, my bad. I apologize. It seems I got a little bit confused by this:
Quote:
"We all did what Talent did, but for some reason he is not allowed to do what we did and this is for the betterment of the Scene”

I tend to conflate what you’re saying with what Peacemaker is saying, so I get confused I guess.

BTW you do realize that the original Vangelis being Zbrush project, the images could be rendered in any quality, hell, camera could be set so that tracing the C64 art to a rendered picture would be impossible. If someone had access to the project. I dunno, if that someone actually bought it. But I digress.
2023-12-15 17:46
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1337
Exactly what LMan said.
2023-12-15 17:57
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096
Quote: Quoting Oswald
@electric
This is supposed be the picture Talent repixeld according to Electric. Why is there poor color depth and detail on the forehead compared to its eyes ? Can we have the link to the original on the net ?


As mentioned in the post, the 'original' comparison image is built (fastly) out of two images. You can find those from vahidahmadizb2016 in Zbrush.


thank you, fake "original", so talent indeed used more images as he stated, no false statements on his part.
2023-12-15 17:59
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5096
Quote: @Oswald:
Quote:
Already told you, stop trying to make me say what you want to say.

Sorry man, my bad. I apologize. It seems I got a little bit confused by this:
Quote:
"We all did what Talent did, but for some reason he is not allowed to do what we did and this is for the betterment of the Scene”

I tend to conflate what you’re saying with what Peacemaker is saying, so I get confused I guess.

BTW you do realize that the original Vangelis being Zbrush project, the images could be rendered in any quality, hell, camera could be set so that tracing the C64 art to a rendered picture would be impossible. If someone had access to the project. I dunno, if that someone actually bought it. But I digress.


Do you realize that electric created a fake original?
2023-12-15 18:00
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285
@Jammer :
See?
I knew your and LMan’s plea will fall on deaf ears.
2023-12-15 18:05
Hein

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 954
Quote: Do you realize that electric created a fake original?

Heh, you missed the tutorial video from the original 3D artist?
2023-12-15 18:08
4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285
Sorry sorry I can’t resist it:
BE DARNED THEE ELECTRIC WITH THY FAKE ORIGINALS! AHH HARR! :D
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