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Bitbreaker
Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 504 |
boobsploitation
So i never understood the fuzz about choosing boobs as a motif. Nude bodies have always been part of art. Also boobs are a thankful motif, as they keep one motivated to continue and finish a picture. Actually i adore and worship the female body. For me, nothing does feel wrong about that. But i somehow feel like there's a lot of mental masturbation going on. So feel free to bring your arguments against boobs forward. Maybe some nice drama will develop from that!
And yes, of course i'll continue drawing boobs, don't bother :-) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3047 |
Gpz, I'm not wondering at all. Last time I was wondering was in the women managed private group on FB called (translated) "Chubbies are sexy!". They are quite militant towards any example of culture of thin models and mentions of fatness, yet regularly it's members post dreamy pics of cute half naked male models. Thats wondering me... (not literaly) I tell ya.
And that second thing about sids... you talking to me? Don't understand why it is so important to you to make point of that.
JB, word. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting CreaMDLast time I was wondering was in the women managed private group on FB called (translated) "Chubbies are sexy!". They are quite militant towards any example of culture of thin models and mentions of fatness, yet regularly it's members post dreamy pics of cute half naked male models. Thats wondering me... (not literaly) I tell ya.
Well, wonder no more, sexual objectification works on both genders :)
I see a lot of men working their assess off in gyms, laying in the tan bed or ruining their health with steroids just because they are uncomfortable in their natural bodies since popular culture, but even traditional art suggests that we should be aggressive, ripped and masculine - whilst a lot of women expect us to fit into that image. Interestingly, no one mentions all those pictures here which reaffirm stereotypical, unnatural male body shapes and cliched roles. By definition, they seem to me sexist as well.
Btw. is it only me who feels that comparing sexism (or sexual objectification in our case) to racism is a bit over the top? Whilst signs of racism are evident, direct and always ill willed, sexual objectifications are often incidental, based without second thoughts on genuine accepted normatives around us. Nevertheless, as a quite hard to grasp and young theory, there are constant debates about it even on academical level.
If this is really about making the scene a more welcoming and cozier place for women, if it would be up to me, first I'd ditch the violence.
Oh and by the way: as a practicing christian, I find Mermaid's likable, charming representation of the devil disrespectful and offensive! |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
"just because they are uncomfortable in their natural bodies since popular culture"
its evolution. are fatty toneless under muscled bodies natural btw ? |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting Oswaldits evolution. are fatty toneless under muscled bodies natural btw ?
Definitely more natural than artificial muscle mass growth stimulated with anabolic steroids.
But I'm talking about an average healthy male body. Fat is fine, as long a person is not obese. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2968 |
Quoting JailbirdIf this is really about making the scene a more welcoming and cozier place for women, if it would be up to me, first I'd ditch the violence. What violence are you referring to? I have never witnessed a knuckle fight at any demo party. There is more violence on a random night out, and yet there are about as many women roaming the streets as men.
But the word "cosy" probably is the key here. The scene is still highly competitive, which might be a factor.
I won't bore you with my own theories about why this scene is predominantly male, but i second the notion that perceived sexism/mysogyny does not play a major role there, and is more likely a result of the present gender ratio, rather than the cause. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Quoting KrillWhat violence are you referring to?
I mean violent, or more or less inappropriate imagery (depending on a person's sensitivity/stance: drugs, guns/soldiers, gore, death, horrorristic images, fighting scenes, etc. etc.) in releases, not violence among sceners.
Some of the usual motifs in releases paint a much more unwelcoming, immature and uninteresting picture of us as a community than nudity. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:And that second thing about sids... you talking to me? Don't understand why it is so important to you to make point of that.
not referring to you, just slightly altered a similar useful quote from this thread.
Quote:If this is really about making the scene a more welcoming and cozier place for women, if it would be up to me, first I'd ditch the violence.
care to give some examples? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2968 |
Quoting JailbirdI mean violent, or more or less inappropriate imagery (depending on a person's sensitivity/stance: drugs, guns/soldiers, gore, death, horrorristic images, fighting scenes, etc. etc.) in releases, not violence among sceners.
Some of the usual motifs in releases paint a much more unwelcoming, immature and uninteresting picture of us as a community than nudity. Yes, please provide some examples. I may have been living under a rock the past few months, but i'm having a hard time remembering any recent imagery of these sorts.
But then again, i don't think any of these pictures contributed much to who is or isn't part of the scene.
And seeing how the demoscene PR division fails to attract even the main demographic, young males, these days, i further doubt that the scene will ever evolve to anything more mature than aging people working in the games industry, who are fooling around on their digital playground with antique computers and other arcane gadgetry.
Which is perfectly fine by me. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
2600+ graphics, demos and graphics collections were released in the last five years, I really don't have the time and will to go through them one by one and take out examples just to illustrate a point which doesn't even affects me personally in any way, whilst most of you'd dismiss them similarly to the sexist accusations, since we are not really concerned at all about hypothetical damages or offenses a certain scene release could cause. Brought it up just because I think that dealing with violent/inappropriate themes would be analogous to handling the sexist elements of the scene.
Just as I said before: I think that enforcing overblown political correctness on the scene is one of the last things which would help it's image. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2968 |
Seconded.
I'm growing more and more annoyed by the fact that in this day and age, everybody seems to get offended by one thing or another, making a big fuss about it.
The worst being those people getting offended for other people, which in itself is at least patronizing, if not downright rude.
In the end, it's just that, getting offended. No actual damage done. |
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