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v3to
Registered: Feb 2005
Posts: 150 |
Double Screen Compo Voting
Okay - all entries are in and it is time for voting.
Take your time and check the pictures properly. If you like to check it on a C64, I'd recommend to turn off the volume, because music tends to alter atmosphere. Now here come the rules:
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CHOOSE 3 FAVORITES - NO MORE - NO LESS
SEND YOUR CHOICE VIA PM TO ENTHUSI OR ME
OR BY MAIL TO << COMPO[AT SPAMSUCKS]C64PIXELS[DOT]COM >>
PLEASE DO NOT FORGET YOUR HANDLE/GROUP OR NAME
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Deadline for voting is June 7th 2011 (know it is a long term but c64pixels-visitors are watching random)
Good luck to all contestants !
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Looking Outward by Celtic, code by Zielok
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Format: MultiColor
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Monroe 6569 by Diggr
Format: Charmode
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Asteroidmine by Grass, code by Cruzer
Format: MultiColor
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The Raven by Dane
Additional content according compo rules: Dark red and dark grey are laced
Format: MultiColor
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CARGO by Twoflower, code by Cruzer
Additional content according compo rules: Music
Picture format: MultiColor, 4-colors, Colorscheme is matching Charmode
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A Kind of Magic by Yazoo, code by Axis
Additional content according compo rules: Music, scrolltext (can be disabled by pressing spacebar)
Picture format: MultiColor
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:Ill leave you to decide what you consider to be an ugly wired image.
Fantastica. original by you know who, palette saturation prepared in PSP, converted using IFF-Converter, pixelbugs fix0red by myself. done during the party and released for shits'n'giggles using a rather obvious fake handle.
i pity those who voted for it basically =)
STE: most (if not all) pictures by AEG are indeed copies, handpixelled using the good old grid transfer method. for originals check the german "was ist was?" books, they were a major source of "inspiration" for him :=)
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
STE: Amazingly, you are still missing the point. This is not about film posters. This is not about how loader screens were made in the 1980s. This is not about copying Vallejo for your own benefit to improve your draw-naked-women-with-dragons skills. This is not about reliving your youth by drawing pretty copies from 2000AD and posting them on CSDb. This is not about copying or wiring pretty pictures and putting them in a demo so people can go ooh aah look how pretty.
This is about taking a picture and copying it 1:1 (or colouring a scan) and then entering that copy in a graphics competition.
No matter how you twist and turn it, the fact is that copying something is not the same as coming up with something original. It does not even come close. Different leagues. If people are so keen on copies then by all means arrange a copy competition (like c64.sk had cover competitions) and keep the copies out of the graphics competitions. Submitting a 1:1 copy in a graphics competition in 2011 is lame.
And STE and others, for the love of Torquemada, stop using what happened in the past as some sort of eternal excuse for whatever goes on in the present. These are different times and it is never too late to start doing something original. |
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Malmix
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 11 |
To me a C64 graphics competition is about pictures pixeled by hand because that's how it's done on the C64. There is no C64 Photoshop. All you've got is 16 colors and your own eyes to decide what pixels should be set to what color to get the best result. If the result is your own original work that's awesome but most people (including myslef) may rather stick to redrawing to avoid lame results.
Now about the C64 gfx == hand pixeled part obviously not everybody agrees. Some people may think that unless the rules state otherwise it's totally okay to convert. So what about...
1. State that converted gfx are not allowed. Most people who are into machinary converting will accept this but to minimize cheating demand workstages.
2. State that converted gfx are allowed. Some pixel artist will still participate while some won't bother.
In the end it's about what the compo is about. :) |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
"redrawing to avoid lame results" - yeah, there's the problem I guess.
Fear.
Fear of placing low in the competition if you enter something you came up with yourself.
Fear of people mocking your skills if everything isn't anatomically correct.
Fear of dropping in the charts if you start doing your own work instead of relying on someone else's original.
Fear of people questioning the work you did in the past if suddenly your pictures aren't as amazing as they used to be when you were copying. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
fear brought us fire! ;-)
But I agree: placing pixels so something is shown on a real c64 in the end and creating pixels are two very different things.
The PC or not PC discussion is something completely else. You can very well create pixels using modern PC tools ;-)
And at this point I completely agree with Mermaid again.
Future compos may ask for graphics which contain own, new, created content. But graphics on c64 never were only about placing pixels AND being an artist. And they dont have to be in 2011. The Gollum pic of x2010 i.e. showed: "Hell, I can place pixels and I own c64 restictions" but it did not say "Look, I am an creative Artist" like i.e. Ptoing's entry.
Both are valid.
Pictures that reflect "look, I can use a converter", however, should not be submitted to compos. Yet, it is the full responsibility of the scener what to do and what not to do. We are all grown ups and should be able to judge properly. Furthermore we should not care too much about 'uneducated' people judging without caring about the background information. Hell, we have demos here with 5 downloads and 10 votes ;-) |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
my point once again, was that recognised "classic" artwork done from a photograph would be classed as COPY by your PERSONAL standards, and it is you that are being blinkered by you own refusal to accept any other viewpoint.
This is not about loading screens or the past, this is about your personal preference and your crusade against any artwork that doesnt fit your personal preference really isn't it?
"Cargo" for example is done from a video still.
It is obviously redrawn, certainly no convert so is this less valid than Jane Russell's publicity still being turned into a piece of recognised classic artwork?
Ditto for Fraulein Kinski , The Hero Is Back , AT's Star Trek or Girl
all portraits, all done from photographs therefore "copies" as are 1000s of portraits all classed as "art" every year entered into galleries and competitions.
I applaud your adherance to producing original stuff, but it's a big world out there and not everyone appreciates the same "art".
Steve |
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Digger
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 437 |
@Mermaid: Lots of fear... That was entertaining ;-)
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Dear STE,
I hope one day you overcome your fears and try riding a bike without support wheels.
Love,
Mermaid |
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STE'86
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 274 |
Dear Vanja,
this isnt about me or what I like to produce. I don't enter competitions, I never have, so it makes no difference to me what the rules are.
I am defending other people's right to draw what they want and enter it freely. As long as they DO draw it.
snide remarks just show what an attitude problem you seem to have with anyone whose opinion does not mirror you own which is basically what this witchhunt you have started is all about.
instead of talking about other people's "fears" why can't you adopt the attitude that "my stuff is better than copies" and rely on the voters integrity to decide whose deserves the win?
Steve
EDIT: but i do agree that sources if used must be quoted so Joe Public actually know. |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
STE, sorry but you are the one who is making this personal by reducing this debate to "Mermaid's crusade against those poor artists", and now even a "witchhunt".
Several times in this discussion I have pointed out that I do not mind people copying (and that it is a great way of learning about anatomy and whatnot) as long as they show the source material. What I have a problem with is people submitting 1:1 copies and coloured scans in graphics competitions. Do I need to spell it out to you one more time? |
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