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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 680 |
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Why do some of you hide your votes? HMM? this makes no sense. And stop downvoting people just because you do not like them.
This database is supposed to be accurate, not a place for you to continue with your stupid grudges and scene wars.
a note to perff: since Secret Man, WDR etc have been deleted from this, I think you should also remove all their votes.
and get rid of this hidden voting, if people cannot publicy stand by their vote choices, then they shouldn't be voting at all.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
you too please explain how public votes would make the result any better. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
A anonymous voter is much like someone sneaking up to a billboard and spraying something on it in the middle of the night (I'm not talking graffiti here).
It has no real relevance and amounts to not much more than a act of vandalism.
If all votes were public and a comment would be mandatory to state your opinion, the general quality of the votes would rise. The total amount of given votes might fall, but those lost would be useless background noise anyhow.
If you cant stick up for your opinion and you're to lazy to write at least 1 or 2 lines of what your vote means, then frankly, it doesn't mean shit.
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
I agree with ED's point on why *he* hides votes, but as for the others hiding?
I got a real chuckle from Stainless Steel:
"If you cant stick up for your opinion and you're to lazy to write at least 1 or 2 lines of what your vote means, then frankly, it doesn't mean shit."
Captures my feeling in one sentence. :)
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tomz
Account closed
Registered: Sep 2006
Posts: 39 |
I agree it should be mandatory in order to be able to vote,so no comment and your vote isn't registered,coz its vital to know why you voted the way you did. Make a comment and your vote counts! :)
However hidden votes are the Democratic way of doing things so why would you want to make them public? This I think would just open another Pandoras Box of extra problems for the admin. Votes in mags (at least the ones we released) never had who voted for what,and rightly so.It was chore to do the votes and Im happy to say that Stryyker got that job for TBG most of the time.
If I vote for something that I think is worth a 6,then nothing will make me vote it as a 10 or any other number other than a 6,whats the big deal with people voting as they want to......... :( lol |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
It ain't about the people voting honestly what they think, be it a 3 or a 10 or a 1.
Just make a stand and let the person know why you cast your vote the way you do.
Seriously, a anonymous vote is just not having the balls to stand in for your opinion.
Its nothing less than a hit and run move.
Whine all you want, anonymous voting is just lame.
And please don't start singing songs of democracy about anonymous voting, this ain't the presidential elections 2008.
Anonymous voting has just as many drawbacks, it invites every prick and his dog to deface a productions voting just because he doesn't like the authors hair colour. Fuck that.
If you want to assrape me, then I at least want to know who you are and I want to read a statement about what you dislike about my shit.
Vice versa, if you like my stuff and give a reasonable voting then I want to know what you liked about it and who you are.
This is the CSDb, not the AA or the KKK.
We shouldn't need to hide ourselves or our opinions.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
great ideas here, make votes public AND make an additional comment mandatory! that will surely increase the amounts of votes!
i really wonder what will happen when votes are public, and the results would not change at all (because well, they won't). no way it will only lead to more crap and more flames, nononono thats not possibly an option because not only everyone can stand for his votes - also everyone can deal with someone voting differently than he expected!
(wohohoho it took 5 people to vote trail mix to #1 before DEM! GAWD i can't express how seriously meaningful these charts are to me!) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting groepazgreat ideas here, make votes public AND make an additional comment mandatory! that will surely increase the amounts of votes!
the results would not change at all (because well, they won't). no way it will only lead to more crap and more flames, nononono thats not possibly an option because not only everyone can stand for his votes - also everyone can deal with someone voting differently than he expected!
Well, if you cant stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen.
I don't understand why everyone is acting as if the votes being public would bring the world as we know it to an end.
Just because I like you personally that doesn't mean I have to vote 10 for all your stuff.
Its not about generating as much vote's as possible, it should rather be about generating 'valuable' votes.
Otherwise, why don't we just let it stay anonymous and have Perf write a script that randomly casts alternating votes from 1-10 on all the entries. That's about as useful as how it is now.
PS: Yes, Trailmix being above Deus Ex is irritating. But thats a totally other problem.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
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Well, if you cant stand the heat then stay out of the kitchen.
I don't understand why everyone is acting as if the votes being public would bring the world as we know it to an end.
and i seriously don't get why anyone would seriously think that it would change anything (in the sense of "better" results that is). as others already said, votes in diskmags never were public. still everyone agrees that those charts were "better". you should be asking "why is that?"
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Just because I like you personally that doesn't mean I have to vote 10 for all your stuff.
i agree - yet not everyone is mature enough to act like that, and that is exactly the problem. public votes *might* add some "transparency" or "credibility" (i disagree on both however) - but at the same time they *will* also be a source of outrage and immature actions among those who "can't stand the heat". and hu- even those who "can stand the heat" will find themselves in flamewars because they just can't keep quiet. i promise :=)
hell, i remember when i voted a 1 for MacGyver ... and was spammed with PMs asking WTF i was thinking. LOL. _I_ can stand this for all i care (and i have no problem telling someone to kiss my ass goodbye either) - but surely not everyone is like this, some would be annoyed of such actions enough to leave alltogether (as it happened with many people in the past) and imho thats a bigger loss than not knowing the source of a handful anonymous votes.
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Its not about generating as much vote's as possible, it should rather be about generating 'valuable' votes.
lol. what you want is a jury of experts then, not a poll among all users. the latter needs as much of equally valueable votes as possible to be statistically relevant in any way. if you only want "valueable" votes then you can remove public voting alltogether, because its the wrong tool for the job.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote:as others already said, votes in diskmags never were public. still everyone agrees that those charts were "better". you should be asking "why is that?"
Because they were hand counted. They were checked for correctness (completeness? whateveR) and the fraud was almost impossible. Can you imagine sending 50 votesheets pretending that they are coming from different persons. Would you pay for such postage? Would you be so naive to believe that such attempt would stay unnoticed, or even unannounced? Votes stayed anonymous, yes, but the person who counted them knew the sources and could spot any anomaly quite easily.
Exactly how SidCompo voting works. There is occasional attempt for manipulation (but not that excessive as in first 2 years).
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3052 |
Quote:hell, i remember when i voted a 1 for MacGyver ... and was spammed with PMs asking WTF i was thinking. LOL.
Yes it's kinda hard to have trusted account and see how some people downvote you. Especially when those people smile at you and shake your hands at parties where you meet them. Or when they downvote you to get higher than you in the charts. Or when you are downvoted by the members of the same group (who you actually also happen to know personally). I learned to ignore that because although it's sort of "privilege" to know, it's also a curse. All you can do about it in most of the cases is to ignore it. It's especially funny to meet someone who downvoted you every year and *know*, while he doesn't know that you *know*. Unfortunatelly that's only funny thing about it, because if you told them, they would start to act like slippery eels.. yew.. well. Fork'em'all..
I think Mac earned some of the negative points after the controversy with PTV stuff. I must admit that some of the points are justified because what he has done he probably didn't consult with Perff. Still, if that happened to me and if I was sure that I'm doing the right thing, be sure I wouldn't ignore the vibe or leave the battleground so easily ;-). After all there are rules about behaviour here and believe it or not it's quite easy to recognise retaliatory vote from fair 1. That reminds me of Yoko's 1 on all my scene jobs plus some releases (including demo coded by TDJ which featured my music). That happened before his first ban. Now when I told him to behave (when he suggested suicide to Richard) he gave me 1 as musician after some heated debate. Expert opinion, indeed. |
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