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Magnar
Registered: Aug 2009
Posts: 60 |
Comaland vs Comaland 100%
I still don't get it.
Why does there have to be 2 entries in the top-10 list of Top Demos for Comaland?
Please, why cannot CSDB staff just merge these two entries into one entry?
I still don't get it.
/Magnar |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
There's nothing strange, Comaland is the party version, voted on csdb by users the day after the release, Comaland 100% is the fixed/final version released 8 months later and people voted for it too. They are 2 separate entities. It's how CSDb works, new version, new entry. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
A site dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about the productions ... |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Indeed annoying to have two different versions of the same production on the top 10. Ideally they should be merged somehow, just like sceners with different handles. Or to avoid more of this chart spamming in the future, maybe people should just wait until prods are finished before releasing them. :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
or you could just take those silly charts a bit less seriously :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
Or remove all this vote drama once for all. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Usually I don't care about charts, but now that I'm in a demo that's temporarily on the top 10, I must admit that I enjoy it while it lasts. :) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
BREAKING NEWS: we are going to release "comaland 101%" next week... because we'd like to see another version up there ;-) |
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Axis/Oxyron
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
I agree that it´s totally stupid to occupy 2 of the valuable top10 spots for 2 99% identical demos. |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
This brings up a new Top 10 list idea. A top 10 list of demo groups with unique demo entries per group. Only the single top voted demo for per group will show up in that list. That would be interesting to compare how products are evalutad compared to groups.
In other words we would have a different top 10 list for demo groups partly eliminating some name votings. :) |
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Yazoo
Registered: Nov 2006
Posts: 227 |
isn't this problem very easy to solve? i'd say: one csdb entry for each demo + a (new) possibility to add versions of it. so the older version doesn't get lost.
other than that i agree, that its crap to have two versions of comaland in the top10.
and unlike others, i do ofcoz use rankings and lists to find nice productions when i want to watch demos (not just the top10, but i do browse the charts...)
regarding the old voting-discussion which pops up every now and then: for me its good as is... its very imperfect and not fair.
but tbh that has been part of the scene forever. namevoting, socializing blabla whatever has also been part of compovoting for ages. results often don't look fair. we gotta live with the imperfection.
in the szene we try to compare things which are not comparable. who's the better artist... van gogh or picasso? plz tell me...
right, depends on personal taste.
still it's part of the szene to compete.
if you dont like the ratings as they are: vote yourself - because the more votes an entry has, the more proper and fair is the result.
simple as that.
or: just don't look at it or ignore it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:one csdb entry for each demo + a (new) possibility to add versions of it.
what about not releasing half finished demos in the first place? =) |
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Skate
Registered: Jul 2003
Posts: 494 |
@Groepaz: you've got a point there but you know the urge to be a part of a demo compo. i believe unfinished releases are a very natural part of our scene. otherwise i completely agree with you on that. |
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HCL
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 727 |
Hehe.. voting problems :) Why don't you "voters" just agree on removing your votes for one of those entries and problem solved :). |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Great and realistic idea, HCL. :)
Btw, there's only one entry for Dawnfall, although there was a party version and a v1.1 of that. It is possible. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
Fixed
Dawnfall V1.1 |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
I would say once a demo is released it's finished. Go and make something new. :-P |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
I adjusted my votes on the two. Set a '0' for Comaland and my '10' for Comaland 100%. See how that fares .... :)
I personally also think its far out that we have multiple versions of the same demo floating. Only on CSDB ... |
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Perplex
Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 255 |
In hindsight the data model should have had productions and releases as separate entities in a one-to-many relationship. Guess that will be a lot of work to change at this point, and the clean up job would be massive. |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Fuck you, iAN CooG! F*A*I*C now officially means Federation Against iAN CooG again. We tried to be nice, but it didn't work. |
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soci
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 479 |
The top (onefile) demo chart would be more useful by excluding releases older than a year by default. Then both releases would be off the list. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 677 |
I agree (to whomever) that the only proper solution (to an improper problem btw) is to change the vote given for the in hindsight inferior release.
People should do that for preview/games, tools, demos.
Or not care about ranks. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
another solution: show charts ONLY for tape releases |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
Dawnfall V1.1 is now where it belongs in the chart... :) |
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Inspired by soci:
Why not have toplists for the last year (or two years) only and only present those toplists but also let users browse all other toplists. That would not eliminate the problem but it would phase out inactive groups and older demos from the charts successively... |
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celticdesign
Registered: Oct 2005
Posts: 149 |
Yep, beside of complete top lists please offer (or display) by other options like "by year(s)", "by event" or whatever... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
just show every user a list made from his own votes - no more complaints =) |
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Quote: just show every user a list made from his own votes - no more complaints =)
For the record, I did not complain, i merely suggested an improvement... |
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Magic
Registered: Sep 2012
Posts: 44 |
There should be one page for each release..
a newer version or final version just should be added to this page..
This is how Pouet works and imho its great..
Different versions of the same production just should not be in the same chart.
At this time Rocketry is at 11th spot.. Denied the top 10 becos of this..
Anyway just my 2 cents people..
Make some noice for csdb! :) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
How about a counter: anyone who's voted (lets say five times) 9's or 10's can't vote for at least a year.
That might stabilize the ridiculous high votes any new release gets, no matter how crappy. |
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Bob
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 71 |
I agree with Yazoo.. if there are enough votes on a release the average would show a statistical correct result.
The problem is rather too few votes that shows an un even result. |
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Bob
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 71 |
ohh and regarding Comaland, yes one entry containing 100% versions would be a nice solution. Should be one entry allowing fixed revisions. etc.. no need for separate entry. |
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lft
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 369 |
Another idea is to hide from the charts any release that wasn't released at a party. Party rules typically only allow new stuff, so this would get rid of duplicate entries. It would also discourage people from using csdb as a release site, while simultaneously encouraging people to get it right the first time---because fewer will find the fixed version. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
make the option to disable voting if you are the owner of the release and / or to disable listing in the charts but voting enabled. problem solved =) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
i was already missing the annual voting bitch thread :=) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 2014 |
Just just put a 10 on Comaland 100% and a 2 on Comaland. Simple as that. |
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Trash
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Quote: Just just put a 10 on Comaland 100% and a 2 on Comaland. Simple as that.
Bah Comaland was so good it deserves a total of 20... |
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Joe
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 227 |
I was contemplating the phrase Zoltan threw and eventually shrug my shoulders in a rather unforgiven shake.
"A site dedicated to gathering as much information as possible about the productions ..."
No it wasn't: *perhaps a complementary one...
https://www.behance.net/gallery/23257391/_
https://www.behance.net/gallery/20797077/Frantic-3-Nightmare
https://www.behance.net/gallery/40270321/Censor-Design-2016
https://www.behance.net/gallery/40270731/Hoaxers-2016 |
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Cruzer
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1048 |
Peacemaker has the solution. Not that there's any hope something as rational as that will be implemented though. |
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4mat
Registered: May 2010
Posts: 65 |
Quote: Another idea is to hide from the charts any release that wasn't released at a party. Party rules typically only allow new stuff, so this would get rid of duplicate entries. It would also discourage people from using csdb as a release site, while simultaneously encouraging people to get it right the first time---because fewer will find the fixed version.
I don't like that idea. We used to release stuff all year round in the old days, constant flow of stuff whenever it was ready. Now that's morphed into 'demos only get released at parties' these days and personally I find that really unhealthy for the scene. Also with a lot of c64 parties not doing remote entries that's another avenue closed down for some visibility. |
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Axis/Oxyron
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2007
Posts: 91 |
Quote: Just just put a 10 on Comaland 100% and a 2 on Comaland. Simple as that.
You only want that 50% of the people mix up the 2 versions, so we get rid of both. ;o) |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 248 |
Quote: Peacemaker has the solution. Not that there's any hope something as rational as that will be implemented though.
Oh, it should be doable without much trouble. I have some hope =) |
