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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
Vice Tribute gone
Hi,
I assume some admin removed our latest release, Vice Tribute. I am puzzled why this happened and why I wasn't informed?
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Hit Trap! No, we're not that evil. :)
It was never deleted: Vice Tribute. You could still reach it with entry number 189842. Problem was a bug not showing "Related release" release type. Interesting. It's now a C64 one file demo again (even if it's more of a C64 related demo, as it only works fully in an emulator, and not on a real C64). |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
its not a bug, "related releases" are not shown by default - this releasetype was once created to push the stuff there that shouldnt be in the db in the first place |
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Copyfault
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 475 |
Wouldn't "C64 Misc." be a good compromise? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: its not a bug, "related releases" are not shown by default - this releasetype was once created to push the stuff there that shouldnt be in the db in the first place
Thanx for the explanation. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: Wouldn't "C64 Misc." be a good compromise?
Rather "Other Platform". :) As it works fully only on other platforms. C64 Misc is still for the C64 platform. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
or just leave it "c64 demo"? it runs fine on a c64 after all - just some of the output looks different on emulator. (its not the first demo that does this, btw)
why not define what an "import" is instead? that would actually be useful afterall ;=) |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: or just leave it "c64 demo"? it runs fine on a c64 after all - just some of the output looks different on emulator. (its not the first demo that does this, btw)
why not define what an "import" is instead? that would actually be useful afterall ;=)
One could leave it too, indeed, but then add a screenshot that actually shows what a C64 would show. Remember Errata - We Are Failure, we had a screenshot from a real C64 until we found that hoxs64 actually shows the demo correctly. |
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Trap
Registered: Jul 2010
Posts: 223 |
ok, thanks guys.
I cant help but wonder a bit that you are discussing the category of this production. It runs 100% on stock hardware, so IMO it's a simple onefile demo. I won't look as intended, but technically it meets the requirements.
Just my 2 cents.
Thank you for all your hard work - mountains of respect and love to you! ... oh, I noticed the sorting of Top Demos has been inverted, so a release with less votes but same score, ranks higher than one with more votes and same score :) Misleading if you ask me.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:It runs 100% on stock hardware, so IMO it's a simple onefile demo.
indeed! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: ok, thanks guys.
I cant help but wonder a bit that you are discussing the category of this production. It runs 100% on stock hardware, so IMO it's a simple onefile demo. I won't look as intended, but technically it meets the requirements.
Just my 2 cents.
Thank you for all your hard work - mountains of respect and love to you! ... oh, I noticed the sorting of Top Demos has been inverted, so a release with less votes but same score, ranks higher than one with more votes and same score :) Misleading if you ask me.
Trap
It does. So you are right. It just needs an accurate screenshot then, as the one that's there now is not really what would show on a C64, right? :) That is my point. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
I suggest to make a gif with both how it looks on Vice debug borders, and the largest image taken from real HW.
If that's so fucking important... Screenshots are not the release, for me it's just splitting the hair in 4 all this matter. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4723 |
Quote: I suggest to make a gif with both how it looks on Vice debug borders, and the largest image taken from real HW.
If that's so fucking important... Screenshots are not the release, for me it's just splitting the hair in 4 all this matter.
Already made a gif as a compromise. :) And yes: It's relevant since the emulator-killing releases by emulamer, because we would like screenshots reflecting what the real thing would show, and not what an emulator might show. Otherwise are entering a slippery slope road away from the real machine into the dark realms of emulation only. Only real hw is the standard. ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Didn't even know the real thing shows a tiny vertical grey line on the right side =) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 659 |
When a release causes a debate about "where does this go?" .. "how do we show a screenshot for this?" you know it's a good release :-)
Now many others are looking for ways to break CSDB I wonder?
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3187 |
Raistlin: be aware that some tried and got banned.
Have fun. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 659 |
I don't mean to literally -break- CSDB.. I just mean to release C64 things that are edge cases that don't fit into the various buckets of releases (like Bonzai's demo here - though I agree with Trap that it -is- a C64 demo.. "debug borders" gives a different view of EVERY demo after all). |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
Quote: I don't mean to literally -break- CSDB.. I just mean to release C64 things that are edge cases that don't fit into the various buckets of releases (like Bonzai's demo here - though I agree with Trap that it -is- a C64 demo.. "debug borders" gives a different view of EVERY demo after all).
I have debug borders on in my vice settings as default since ages. I only change it back to normal border if I should take a screenshot. it's... funny :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
There are actually a couple demos that have things in the invisible area so you can only see them when tweaking the monitor. Graham would know which :/ |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Quoting ZeSmasherI have debug borders on in my vice settings as default since ages. I only change it back to normal border if I should take a screenshot. it's... funny :)
I use full border both for watching and developing stuff, it's the closest I can get to what my Philips CM8833 showed. VICE's full border shows a bit more, so some of my old demos have 'bugs', such as sprite garbage way up in the upper border, or non-covered left sideborder when doing a sideborder scroller with the usual 4 sprites.The later can be 'fixed' by using 5 sprites and $d011 trickery like Krill did, but that's a lot of work for something that doesn't show on the real deal with an old CRT. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2969 |
Quoting Compyxor non-covered left sideborder when doing a sideborder scroller with the usual 4 sprites.The later can be 'fixed' by using 5 sprites and $d011 trickery like Krill did, but that's a lot of work for something that doesn't show on the real deal with an old CRT. I guess you're referring to the intro of Vandalism News #34 - i went through the trouble of having 5 sideborder sprites specifically because my 1084S shows everything on the left including the blindingly white sync burst stripe (which i keep adjusted to just under the left bezel edge). =) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Yes, that's the one. And now that I watch it again in x64sc, you have some greydots on the left =)
I always thought the Philips CM8833 was a clone of the 1084S or vice-versa, but perhaps not. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2969 |
Quoting Compyxyou have some greydots on the left =) Haha, yeah. That was something i couldn't quite get around. If you have 8 sprites enabled on a line, raster bar colour switches will inevitably be pushed into the visible area due to the wall of DMA in the sideborders.
Quoting CompyxI always thought the Philips CM8833 was a clone of the 1084S or vice-versa, but perhaps not. I suppose they aren't. And come to think of it, no 1084S seems to be a clone of another, either. =) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Lord Moloch gave me a link to this: https://gona.mactar.hu/Commodore/monitor/Commodore_monitors_by_..
Which only adds to the confusion =) |
