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smila
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c64 video's
if anyones interested ive made 4 video's to c64 tunes.
they are a fairly large file tho.
just send me a pm and i'll give ya the url and passwords to download them.
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cadaver
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As this is "C64 Productions"...
Warning! Warning!
System integrity compromised - retro activity detected!
Activating countermeasures...
:))) |
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Puterman
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Yeeeaaahh, another kill for the retro emergency response team! |
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smila
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didnt mean to step on anyones toes...
just thought you lot would be interested.
i wont post here again. soz |
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Steppe
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Come on, he just offered something without even broad advertising or something like adding the vids to the database. No need to raise the finger, IMHO. |
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cadaver
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Ah well, I intended my message as quite humorous, as indicated by smilies..
Still, the subject of retro and retro-activity isn't something to be taken lightly, IMO. At an extreme interpretation (I don't necessarily agree to it), it can be considered a serious slap in the face of all active C64 people, still creating C64 productions: "What you're doing is worth nothing, the C64 is dead & cryogenically freezed (to an arbitrary point in time, that the retroist chooses) only the past is worthy of doing various websites, remixes and derivative works about"
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cadaver
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Note: derivative works & tributes to past, that are executable on C64 are of course not retro, because they create new C64 history in themselves |
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Commander
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... is it the meaning of scaring people away ... ?
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cadaver
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Or, a less hateful/negative approach to the retro issue, instead being a challenge: (not meant to anyone specifically)
"You obviously show an interest to the C64, so why not do something ON it? The resources, tools, means to communicate and spread your work are now better than ever. By doing that instead of various retro work, you become immortal" (slight exaggeration) :)))) |
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CreaMD
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I agree with Cadaver. And if his opinions have to scare away people who consider themselves C64 supporters by doing various PC/WIN plattform dependent productions I'm perfectly reconciled with that. Commodore 64 is a computer plattform and PC is a computer plattform. If anyone makes C64 related MP3 remix, game remake, website, or video production he is mainly supporting the PC scene. As this is a C64 scene database it's quite obvious that such productions doesn't belong here.
It of course doesn't mean that non C64 productions cannot be discussed or offered in the forum or at c64 related news sites. Many times it happens that there is a video from the party or video offering new product (Like Metal Dust video), website supporting an active group, party, or new production. MP3 with interview with some C64 celebrity. PC tool for crossplattform productivity. New hardware for PC helping better communication with C64 etc.etc.
Videos can be also released computer parties in Wild Competitions. Even Forever 4 (8bit party held this year in March) allows 8bit related video productions in it's wild competition. |
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CreaMD
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http://www.afl1970.net/ <- example of site which is in my opninion going the non scene - retro direction.
Yeah it looks nice, but it's very retro oriented. As far as I know AFL 1970 isn't active anymore but maybe the will organise meeting celebrating their glory (as they write in the Flash demo). Well we are celebrating glory of Slovak scene almost every year at Cult Party. It's always a lot of fun especially when we celebrate the glory (=booze ;-). Except of that former slovak c64 sceners check various PC stuff, watch latest C64 demos in emulator (because there is always some problem with transferring and dude responsible for that (-me) always fail to deliver stuff). Except of that we mostly watch PC demos and Divx movies. Well, I must admit that we also play C64 games on real c64 from all the time. ;-) |
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CreaMD
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And sorry for my english it seems it's deterioriating with every sentence I write ;))) |
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cadaver
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Ah, CreaMD wrote a very nice further clarification..
Let me say that had this been posted to "C64 discussions" for example, the humorous system-integrity check subroutine wouldn't have been triggered.
Let me also say that most of the time, I also hate behaviour that insists on anal rules of conduct, staying 100% on topic etc, "polices" guarding the correctness etc., which happens in many, many usenet newsgroups. This is usually associated with "old farts" by the younger people, who simply fail to understand why is this necessary.
But, the truth is that when there's something one believes in a lot, like the C64 and its continued active existence, such behaviour becomes, little by little, acceptable or even preferable to some degree. I believe it's somewhat like in savage tribes: the continued existence of the tribe is most important, so harsh punishments are dealt to those who violate various taboos :)
We are of course civilized (?) so we don't need to impale people on a pole :), but I think messages to remind of correct usage of the forums (particularly if not dealt in an unnecessary offensive manner) aren't out of the line. To my knowledge, this is the only major, only C64-scene related, english-speaking forum system today, so it'd be sad to see it going out of control. (for example, to the level of Lemon64's scene forum :)) |
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smila
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i think i have to reply to this.
I MADE A MISTAKE . jesus.
it was my first post here and iam sorry for getting up your nose by posting in the wrong place.
but you didnt have to be so unfriendly to a new poster.
it says at the top "welcome to our latest new user", well i must say i dont feel very welcome.
ive been in the industry since 1987 as an artist, started working for alternative software.
since then ive moved around alot(as we all have) so i have a lot of experience on doing c64 gfx and thought i could add something to this forum.
anyway iam off to lemon64 were its friendly and people dont jump down your neck for making a mistake.
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cadaver
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I think it's only fair that the general attitudes of *this* community are shown to you at your 1st post. If that makes you go away, it is perhaps regrettable, but the C64 active scene is generally more limited in scope, and therefore this forum IMO doesn't have to be as "friendly" as the Lemon64 community, which is aimed for everyone interested in any aspect of the C64. For the most part, we are zealots and maniacs in here :)
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hollowman
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when did people become such touchy crybabys? this is a forum for sceners, and on the scene most people can handle a sarcastic post or two with out running and hiding behind mothers skirt(or on lemons forum). thumbs up for cadaver who speaks his mind and has valid opinions.
when i started calling boards and made mistakes i usually didnt only get sarcastic replies, i was also told to fuck off. i'm still around though, but then again i didnt drop out of school because i got slapped around every now and then either. |
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smila
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aarghhhhhh.. what the hells going on.....
i only wanted to know if anyone wanted to watch some c64 videos ive done... lol
then i was burned at the stake for saying sorry..
hope all those that wanted the vids enjoy em.
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Warbaby
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Hey smila, don't be such a cry-baby.
Everyone gets a slap in the face once in a while. |
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smila
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i aint the one crying.."its my ball and you cant play"
honestly |
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Sander
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Shameless plug; http://www.sanderfocus.nl/precious.avi
Done a couple of years ago (1999 if i'm correct).
/Sander |
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smila
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Quote: Shameless plug; http://www.sanderfocus.nl/precious.avi
Done a couple of years ago (1999 if i'm correct).
/Sander
looks like your coming to hell with me .hehe |
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Steppe
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Actually, the videos were just awesome! :-)
I get your points, but this stuff was done with great skill! |
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Matt
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Quote: Or, a less hateful/negative approach to the retro issue, instead being a challenge: (not meant to anyone specifically)
"You obviously show an interest to the C64, so why not do something ON it? The resources, tools, means to communicate and spread your work are now better than ever. By doing that instead of various retro work, you become immortal" (slight exaggeration) :))))
yep |
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Matt
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Quote: ... is it the meaning of scaring people away ... ?
yep aswell. |
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smila
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Quote: yep aswell.
after a few beers which have calmed me down..
i didnt realise there was such a rift between people doing stuff on a c64 and people doing stuff c64 related,why is that?.
i did the vids because of my love of the c64,no other reason.
if i could programe i would be doing games and demos.....but i cant cant programe to save my life.
we are all doing our bit to keep the scene alive.
thats why we do what we do.
ive just read back over the posts and its fairly amusing, i think youll agree.
i know i posted in the wrong place. but maybe you should of directed me to the correct place to post.
the new stuff you blokes do is great and i enjoy it all.
to hoth and hollowman, i was trying to be nice!, iam not touchy or a cry baby, but when people slag you off your gunna get pee'd arny you.
anyway, iam gunna keep doing what i love doing and i hope you lot keep doing what you love doing.
and lets hope the c64 lives on for a long time.
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Commander
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Quote: after a few beers which have calmed me down..
i didnt realise there was such a rift between people doing stuff on a c64 and people doing stuff c64 related,why is that?.
i did the vids because of my love of the c64,no other reason.
if i could programe i would be doing games and demos.....but i cant cant programe to save my life.
we are all doing our bit to keep the scene alive.
thats why we do what we do.
ive just read back over the posts and its fairly amusing, i think youll agree.
i know i posted in the wrong place. but maybe you should of directed me to the correct place to post.
the new stuff you blokes do is great and i enjoy it all.
to hoth and hollowman, i was trying to be nice!, iam not touchy or a cry baby, but when people slag you off your gunna get pee'd arny you.
anyway, iam gunna keep doing what i love doing and i hope you lot keep doing what you love doing.
and lets hope the c64 lives on for a long time.
Smila : don't forget that not all sceners are that unfriendly!!! Simply look for the friendly ones to communicate with.
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Steppe
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Amen. |
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smila
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hooray to that!!
i'd like to ask a question now.
i there a lot a peeps here who did commertial stuff for the c64 in the 80's?
i knew a lot of people back then and was wondering if any of them post here .
and if iam still posting in the wrong place...fuck it all hehe. |
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CreaMD
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[the real slagging starts]
First of all I would like to define that as far as "C64 related support of C64" is concerned it is not support of a living system, it's a support of a good memories.. old recollections. It's not the same as videos from current parties, videos based on current C64 products and remixes of current hits.
Or do you want to say that what I say isn't correct Smila?
Don't you who make PC productions feel like they have cut the "umbilical cord" connecting you with the old unsupported system. Don't you feel like you moved forward in your skill and value? Don't you feel so-to-speak ashamed of playing with old system? Don't you consider current C64 sceners foolish fanatics who are frozen in past - unable to distinguish that what they produce in C64 scene is not worth their valuable time ;-) Why they still keep playing with that old system? Why they don't start to work on PC, Amiga, in Bitmap editors, game development systems, 3D rendering programs, whatever.. why don't they celebrate their affection towards C64 more strogly. Why they don't say it more loud. Why do they still use those pathetic 3 channels, 16 colors and 64kb of ram.. oh my god. What would your girlfriend say if she knew ;-) And what about friends.. "whaat? You are still working with C64? You suck ;-)"
Yeah yeah, they are right. Let's everybody join the retro scene. Let's make C64 compos allowing c64 related PC demos and c64 related PC videos. Let's make C64 music compos allow 16 channel musics made in tweaked Resid engine allowing 2x8 channel stereo sound. And hey how about if we made VICE a standard compo machine. And hey why should we take C64 to parties, when we can take PC and run our stuff on emulators. Yeah! Long live the C64 scene... (I'm going to vomit now, if you don't mind)
... okay I feel much better now.. let's continue ;-)
...well... we are too old for acting like pathetic enthusiasts.. some of us are employed, some have families, loves... how can we connect our hobby with our real life... and why? Why do we sceners rant about all that when we also feel problem of finding some free time for only real cool hobby we have... and is that hobby really so cool? why? Why do we consider it so attractive...
I don't know how about you.. but I thank to C64 and its scene for what I've learned. C64 was starting point of my creativity. It was the reason I've learned english. It was the reason I started to learn programming. And after all, it is still the machine where I get a lot of inspiration for my life. I always considered C64 sceners to be the most interesting and most succesful people in the world. Yeah it sounds a little bit naive, but, let us not count success only in ammount of general popularity one gets ;-) Many former C64 sceners now run small bussinesses, work on interesting posts in IT areas and some of them stopped to waste their time witch computers at all (which is very positive too ;-).
Maybe you ask, why I'm so negative against all that C64 related PC art? There is very simple explanation for that. As there is enough real C64 stuff to watch, created by real c64 scener. I won't ever dream of needing to watch something created by someone who even doesn't know what's going on in the C64 scene. I will check video, webpage, mp3 made by any C64 scener, but I don't feel any urge to do so in case of someone who doensn't recognise who are those people in the ranks on the right blue part of this page. And that's only top fives. Call that loyality, call that solidarity, whatever. I know that it's not just that. It's mostly the respect I have towards sceners. They gained it by making great C64 art, they gained it by supporting scene in other aspects. They gained it by living in the presents C64 scene.
If you want to get my respect don't talk about past. Start to live in present scene. Clean dust of your C64 and start to create some interesting stuff again.
[/slagging ends]
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smila
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i get your point, if you feel that strongly so be it.
the c64 was a huge part of my youth and thats why i love it so much.
its where i started to learn, its where i did my first art which has carried me through to this day still working in the games industry.
you may feel what you do is more important to the c64 than what others do and a lot of people will agree with you, and a lot of people wont.
anyway i dont want to continue this argument.
its obvious people here take what they do very close to their hart. and thats fine by me.
iam glad i posted tho, ive learned something new.
no hard feelings to anyone.
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CreaMD
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Quote: i get your point, if you feel that strongly so be it.
the c64 was a huge part of my youth and thats why i love it so much.
its where i started to learn, its where i did my first art which has carried me through to this day still working in the games industry.
you may feel what you do is more important to the c64 than what others do and a lot of people will agree with you, and a lot of people wont.
anyway i dont want to continue this argument.
its obvious people here take what they do very close to their hart. and thats fine by me.
iam glad i posted tho, ive learned something new.
no hard feelings to anyone.
You unfortunatelly try to end the discussion by misinterpreting what I said. No it's not about myself feeling that what I do is more important than what you do. It's about what I say about your c64 related productions.
I say that they aren't important for C64 users as they are not runable on C64 or related to current C64 activities. Simply what you thing you do for C64 scene is not important. You aren't helping to save the C64 spirit or shifting it further. All you do is just creating derivative multi media art inspired by old Commodore 64 art. I don't care about quantity of people who will agree od disagree with me. The decision is on them. More important for me is that how many people will understand the point of what Lasse, or me or even Deev at Lemon64 forum wanted to say. |
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smila
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i understand that they arnt runable on c64 and that some users might not be interested.
but i honestly thought some of you may like to see them.
sorry for the slanging match, just got me annoyed thats all. |
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Commander
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And of course there are people (like me) who like to see them! Thanks for mentioning about your videos, not only today is important but also the past (otherwise we can better scratch the whole database if the past doesn't count); even if it is not runnable on a real c64. Memories are also a nice feeling, not as important as the things made today but it still gives a nice feeling to look back.
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smila
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cheers.
its a shame we got off on the wrong foot, but you learn from your mistakes. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: i understand that they arnt runable on c64 and that some users might not be interested.
but i honestly thought some of you may like to see them.
sorry for the slanging match, just got me annoyed thats all.
Yes I think there are some people, even here, who will be interested in your videos. Good luck with your future non-c64 creations. And believe it or not, I still hope that you will get back to draw something for C64. |
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smila
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after seeing how much passion you lot have about your creations maybe i will.
are there any perticular art packages you guys use to do your gfx.? it may be a silly question but its been sooooo long since i did any c64 stuff it'll be like going back to school. ;-) |
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T.M.R
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Depends what you're drawing; pick a format, any format...? =-)
i think bitmaps have been covered in another thread, but Amica Paint, Paint Magic, GunPaint, VidCom, Advanced Art Studio and a few others always get a namecheck for multicolour and OCP Art Studio, VidCom and... erm... i've blanked on other names for hi-res. Personally, i favour Paint Magic with VidCom to edit attributes out of that lot. |
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smila
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cheers.
ive have a look at the previous thread. |
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Sander
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Damn, just found this thread again, but missed the videos..
Has anyone got those videos? I'd really like to have a look. Or perhaps anyone knows how to contact 'Smila'?
Edit: nevermind, found some of their stuff.. not strikingly interesting. |
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CreaMD
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If it was strikingly interesting I wouldn't probably bitch about that so intensively.. I completely forgot that I was such a moron in past.. (that doesn't mean it got better nowadays ;) |
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Sander
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shameless plug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_P2KSZXf5c
Music video i did for Comtron. www.comtronmusic.com.
Entirely based on the c64 palette.
If you'd like to see a hires version, contact me. |
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cavey
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it's not c64 related! it doesn't run on my commie!!
fuck off man!
[take above remarks with lots of salt]
(but it sure looked great and had a nice soundtrack ;) )
hahaha.
quite funny to read through this thread. |
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Oswald
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jesus christ :)
this is a matter of taste so its pointless to argue about it.
Take the book "on the edge" for example, its not a c64 production, but its a hell of lot good stuff and important imho. You cannot draw the line like creamd wants. |
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Ed
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Quote: shameless plug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_P2KSZXf5c
Music video i did for Comtron. www.comtronmusic.com.
Entirely based on the c64 palette.
If you'd like to see a hires version, contact me.
Thanks for the great videolink. Send me a email or something. By the way, what happened to the stuff you where planning for my crappy tunes ? :D
/Eddie |
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Oswald
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Quote: Thanks for the great videolink. Send me a email or something. By the way, what happened to the stuff you where planning for my crappy tunes ? :D
/Eddie
wow nice one, tho the music doesnt met my taste :P. I've always wondered how a pro video something would look like with c64's palette, now I know :) |
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Zyron
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Very cool video Sander! |
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Burglar
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Quote: Very cool video Sander!
indeed! should've had its own thread ;) |
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Shadow
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Wow, the C64 palette sure does a good job in that video!
But perhaps it is just us seeing it through rose-colored glasses since we have watched those 16 colors for so many years now... :) |
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Oswald
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Creamd,
btw time to take your holy war againts CSDB itself, what does the voting category "top webmaster" have to do with creating something for the c64 ? :) |
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Sander
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Thanks guys.
It costed 7 months of scene inactivity :) |
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Mace
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This video is inspired on the 8 bit hype and if you ask me, they used C64 music... |
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Sander
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This video still rocks! |
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Tim
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damnit Sander,
..why is it that each friggin time you do something cool, my damn sister has to tell me first before I actually find it out the 'normal' c64 way ;)
thumbs up all the same ;)
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Sander
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Quote: damnit Sander,
..why is it that each friggin time you do something cool, my damn sister has to tell me first before I actually find it out the 'normal' c64 way ;)
thumbs up all the same ;)
Hey Tim, seems like your sister is a better scener than you are ;) |
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Tim
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grin.. seems so :(
ah well.. as long as I manage to squeeze out atleast 1 sid a year I count myself as active ;)
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Steppe
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Quote: This video is inspired on the 8 bit hype and if you ask me, they used C64 music...
Hey, that really sounds like a GRG tune, just looking at the instruments. But then, I don't think so. Glenn? |
